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It's easy to use data to mislead; you see this all the time in organizations of any size, but especially in larger organizations - why would you expect the gove

It's easy to use data to mislead; you see this all the time in organizations of any size, but especially in larger organizations - why would you expect the government to be the sole exception? For example, it's been demonstrated that workers on disability is inversely correlated with unemployment: https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ https://apps.npr.org/unfit-for-work/ West Virginia, Mississippi, and Kentucky all have almost 20% of their adult populations on disability: https://www.statista.com/statistics/794278/disabled-population-us-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/794278/disabled-populati... Meanwhile, on kentucky.gov: > Today, Gov. Andy Beshear announced that Kentucky set the lowest annual unemployment rate in state history for 2022 at 3.9% https://www.kentucky.gov/Pages/Activity-stream.aspx?n=GovernorBeshear&prId=1692 https://www.kentucky.gov/Pages/Activity-stream.aspx?n=Govern... Would you say that the Kentucky government patting itself on the back for unemployment rates of 3.9%, while in fact real unemployment is at minimum 21.6%, is something other than the government lying about what unemployment actually is?

williamcotton 3y ago
A politician is not the government.
- strix_varius 3y ago
  To be clear, your stance is that https://www.kentucky.gov/ https://www.kentucky.gov/ does not represent the government?
  - williamcotton 3y ago
    My stance is that whoever the governor of KY is is not “the government” and will cherry pick stats for his own personal gain. The actual government is reporting the real rates of unemployment. Partisans are the issue.
    - strix_varius 3y ago
      That's an astounding amount of hair splitting to claim that the people in charge of governing - literally with the title "govern-or" - are not "the government." No true Scotsman indeed!
      - williamcotton 3y ago
        I am describing how a democratic republic works. It is government by the people, for the people. There are government representatives, who if elected are partisan, and who are otherwise appointed or employed. The government of a republic is separate from these individuals and has an agenda of its own. One of those agendas is publishing numerous economic data. The individuals in service of the government and the media outlets that they talk to are where the proverbial cherry-picking takes place. Partisan politicians and partisan media, not some incoherent notion of “the government.”
voxl 3y ago
Being disabled does not preclude you from being employed.
- strix_varius 3y ago
  Being on disability - which is what this data shows - precludes you being employed 99% of the time. It also legally limits how much you can be employed. The rules are complex, but for every $1 you earn you lose roughly $0.50 in benefits, until they quickly reach $0 for even a modest job. > Fewer than 1 percent of those who were on the federal program for disabled workers at the beginning of 2011 have returned to the workforce since

williamcotton 3y ago

A politician is not the government.

strix_varius 3y ago
To be clear, your stance is that https://www.kentucky.gov/ https://www.kentucky.gov/ does not represent the government?
- williamcotton 3y ago
  My stance is that whoever the governor of KY is is not “the government” and will cherry pick stats for his own personal gain. The actual government is reporting the real rates of unemployment. Partisans are the issue.
  - strix_varius 3y ago
    That's an astounding amount of hair splitting to claim that the people in charge of governing - literally with the title "govern-or" - are not "the government." No true Scotsman indeed!
    - williamcotton 3y ago
      I am describing how a democratic republic works. It is government by the people, for the people. There are government representatives, who if elected are partisan, and who are otherwise appointed or employed. The government of a republic is separate from these individuals and has an agenda of its own. One of those agendas is publishing numerous economic data. The individuals in service of the government and the media outlets that they talk to are where the proverbial cherry-picking takes place. Partisan politicians and partisan media, not some incoherent notion of “the government.”

voxl 3y ago

Being disabled does not preclude you from being employed.

strix_varius 3y ago
Being on disability - which is what this data shows - precludes you being employed 99% of the time. It also legally limits how much you can be employed. The rules are complex, but for every $1 you earn you lose roughly $0.50 in benefits, until they quickly reach $0 for even a modest job. > Fewer than 1 percent of those who were on the federal program for disabled workers at the beginning of 2011 have returned to the workforce since