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Doesn’t that assume that unlimited jobs are available and every worker has a choice? In reality the $20 jobs will fill first and remaining might have to take $

by yumraj 3y ago

Doesn’t that assume that unlimited jobs are available and every worker has a choice? In reality the $20 jobs will fill first and remaining might have to take $12 jobs. No?

zmgsabst 3y ago
Sure — those jobs will go first to the best employees. And Panera will become that place where you know the quality and staff are worse, in both the “get my order wrong” and “seem to have a drug problem” senses. Panera will then have to pay above market to attract quality back when they’ve developed a toxic workplace culture. All while customers are shifting habits.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Does this law impact the ability of unionized Panera workers to bargain for wages at the same minimum wage floor? There are 188 Panera Bread locations in California [1]. More Starbucks locations have unionized nationwide than that [2]. [1] https://www.panerabread.com/en-us/cafe/locations/ca https://www.panerabread.com/en-us/cafe/locations/ca [2] https://unionelections.org/data/starbucks/ https://unionelections.org/data/starbucks/
  - roenxi 3y ago
    "We can't get a job at any place offering $20/hr, we can only get a job at this place offering $1x/hr. I know, lets start a fight with them!" This strategy will result in many of them becoming unemployed. Although the idea that previously fine employees are suddenly unfit for work is weird and probably wrong, there is little question that there will be people working at Panera who literally can't get a job at higher wages. This place will be their only hope. Biting the invisible hand of the market that feeds them is a terrible plan, they're better off upskilling as best they can and trying to get a job at $20/hr somewhere else.
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    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      Good news! Newsom’s team is stating there is no Panera exception. If because of public backlash, all the better. > Newsom’s legal team has concluded that would not apply to businesses, like many Panera locations, that mix dough at one location and then bake it at stores. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/29/gavin-newsom-fast-food-panera-00144282 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/29/gavin-newsom-fast-f...
nomel 3y ago
I think the stranger assumption is that all of these fast food chains won't just add some simple bread to their menu. Bread is incredibly easy/cheap to make.
- murderfs 3y ago
  They cannot: (i) An establishment that on September 1, 2022, operates a bakery that produces for sale on the establishment’s premises bread as defined under Part 136 of Subchapter B of Chapter I of Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations shall not be considered a fast food restaurant, so long as it continues to operate such a bakery. This exemption applies only where the establishment produces for sale bread as a stand-alone menu item, and does not apply if the bread is available for sale solely as part of another menu item.

by yumraj 3y ago

Doesn’t that assume that unlimited jobs are available and every worker has a choice? In reality the $20 jobs will fill first and remaining might have to take $12 jobs. No?

zmgsabst 3y ago

Sure — those jobs will go first to the best employees. And Panera will become that place where you know the quality and staff are worse, in both the “get my order wrong” and “seem to have a drug problem” senses. Panera will then have to pay above market to attract quality back when they’ve developed a toxic workplace culture. All while customers are shifting habits.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Does this law impact the ability of unionized Panera workers to bargain for wages at the same minimum wage floor? There are 188 Panera Bread locations in California [1]. More Starbucks locations have unionized nationwide than that [2]. [1] https://www.panerabread.com/en-us/cafe/locations/ca https://www.panerabread.com/en-us/cafe/locations/ca [2] https://unionelections.org/data/starbucks/ https://unionelections.org/data/starbucks/
- roenxi 3y ago
  "We can't get a job at any place offering $20/hr, we can only get a job at this place offering $1x/hr. I know, lets start a fight with them!" This strategy will result in many of them becoming unemployed. Although the idea that previously fine employees are suddenly unfit for work is weird and probably wrong, there is little question that there will be people working at Panera who literally can't get a job at higher wages. This place will be their only hope. Biting the invisible hand of the market that feeds them is a terrible plan, they're better off upskilling as best they can and trying to get a job at $20/hr somewhere else.
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  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Good news! Newsom’s team is stating there is no Panera exception. If because of public backlash, all the better. > Newsom’s legal team has concluded that would not apply to businesses, like many Panera locations, that mix dough at one location and then bake it at stores. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/29/gavin-newsom-fast-food-panera-00144282 https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/29/gavin-newsom-fast-f...

nomel 3y ago

I think the stranger assumption is that all of these fast food chains won't just add some simple bread to their menu. Bread is incredibly easy/cheap to make.

murderfs 3y ago
They cannot: (i) An establishment that on September 1, 2022, operates a bakery that produces for sale on the establishment’s premises bread as defined under Part 136 of Subchapter B of Chapter I of Title 21 of the Code of Federal Regulations shall not be considered a fast food restaurant, so long as it continues to operate such a bakery. This exemption applies only where the establishment produces for sale bread as a stand-alone menu item, and does not apply if the bread is available for sale solely as part of another menu item.