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Yes, I do. When an individual has a problem that requires treatment, a physician or other provider doesn’t consult broad theories on general population trends.

Yes, I do. When an individual has a problem that requires treatment, a physician or other provider doesn’t consult broad theories on general population trends. They instead look to what evidence-based interventions have shown success with individuals who received those interventions.

lapcat 3y ago
I've never had a physician diagnose a physical issue as "emotional". Also, aside from the last two items (the last one being the most questionable inclusion), your healthy lifestyle list, while not technically wrong, has nothing specifically to do with emotions.
- defrost 3y ago
  You may not have personally, nonetheless when M.D. physicians refer patients for a pysch eval they're suggesting an issue can't be fixed with a splint or antibiotics. Maybe there's an underlying chemical imbalance, perhaps not; they typically leave that to those that specialized in psychiatry; physicians that completed not just a medical degree but also a degree in clinical psychiatry.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    How often do physicians refer the obsese to psychiatrists? There aren't enough psychiatrists to handle over a billion evals, if that were even the problem, which is extremely dubious.
    - defrost 3y ago
      This is irrelevant to your implication that physicians never diagnose a physical issue as "emotional" merely because you've never observed such a thing.
      - lapcat 3y ago
        > This is irrelevant You've got one thing right. Over a billion people are now obese, a rate that has skyrocketed over the past 30 years. Whether physicians ever refer people for psych evaluations is irrelevant. My point is simple: I don't think it's plausible that the obesity epidemic is an "emotional problem". Beyond that, we've just fallen into sniping in a pointless way, which I have no wish to continue. The thing about physicians is, if global amoral food conglomerates are targeting young people with unhealthy products, for example, there's little or nothing an individual physician can do about that. They can offer advice to an individual patient, but they can't really treat a societal problem. So if you're looking at it only from the perspective of an individual physician, you're missing the forest for the trees. It would be like looking at cigarette smoking as an "emotional problem" while completely ignoring the role of the cigarette manufacturers in producing, marketing, and selling a product that they know is both addictive and deadly. Of course your physician would say don't smoke. (Ironically, some physicians smoke too.) It's no mystery that smoking is unhealthy. But it would be absurd to refer a smoker for a psych evaluation as if they were mentally ill. That's not the reason people are smoking.
- anon373839 3y ago
  > your healthy lifestyle list, while not technically wrong, has nothing specifically to do with emotions That was actually the point, though I didn’t state it well. The point is that most people know what a healthy lifestyle entails, and what’s standing between them and that lifestyle is feelings.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    Which feelings exactly?
oceanplexian 3y ago
Those Physicians have failed so why are you holding them in such high regard? We have the most sophisticated technology and advances in drugs, but in the United States lifespan has dropped to the lowest point since 1996. Maybe the parent is right and we have a mental health crisis, one the medical establishment has failed to cure. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the obesity crisis is rooted in a social problem. Maybe the cure for obesity is a stable family, friends and some fresh air, and modern society with its endless drugs and medical science has failed them.

lapcat 3y ago

I've never had a physician diagnose a physical issue as "emotional". Also, aside from the last two items (the last one being the most questionable inclusion), your healthy lifestyle list, while not technically wrong, has nothing specifically to do with emotions.

defrost 3y ago
You may not have personally, nonetheless when M.D. physicians refer patients for a pysch eval they're suggesting an issue can't be fixed with a splint or antibiotics. Maybe there's an underlying chemical imbalance, perhaps not; they typically leave that to those that specialized in psychiatry; physicians that completed not just a medical degree but also a degree in clinical psychiatry.
- lapcat 3y ago
  How often do physicians refer the obsese to psychiatrists? There aren't enough psychiatrists to handle over a billion evals, if that were even the problem, which is extremely dubious.
  - defrost 3y ago
    This is irrelevant to your implication that physicians never diagnose a physical issue as "emotional" merely because you've never observed such a thing.
    - lapcat 3y ago
      > This is irrelevant You've got one thing right. Over a billion people are now obese, a rate that has skyrocketed over the past 30 years. Whether physicians ever refer people for psych evaluations is irrelevant. My point is simple: I don't think it's plausible that the obesity epidemic is an "emotional problem". Beyond that, we've just fallen into sniping in a pointless way, which I have no wish to continue. The thing about physicians is, if global amoral food conglomerates are targeting young people with unhealthy products, for example, there's little or nothing an individual physician can do about that. They can offer advice to an individual patient, but they can't really treat a societal problem. So if you're looking at it only from the perspective of an individual physician, you're missing the forest for the trees. It would be like looking at cigarette smoking as an "emotional problem" while completely ignoring the role of the cigarette manufacturers in producing, marketing, and selling a product that they know is both addictive and deadly. Of course your physician would say don't smoke. (Ironically, some physicians smoke too.) It's no mystery that smoking is unhealthy. But it would be absurd to refer a smoker for a psych evaluation as if they were mentally ill. That's not the reason people are smoking.
anon373839 3y ago
> your healthy lifestyle list, while not technically wrong, has nothing specifically to do with emotions That was actually the point, though I didn’t state it well. The point is that most people know what a healthy lifestyle entails, and what’s standing between them and that lifestyle is feelings.
- lapcat 3y ago
  Which feelings exactly?

oceanplexian 3y ago

Those Physicians have failed so why are you holding them in such high regard? We have the most sophisticated technology and advances in drugs, but in the United States lifespan has dropped to the lowest point since 1996. Maybe the parent is right and we have a mental health crisis, one the medical establishment has failed to cure. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if the obesity crisis is rooted in a social problem. Maybe the cure for obesity is a stable family, friends and some fresh air, and modern society with its endless drugs and medical science has failed them.