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Or simply go to a company that does embrace remote. I don't see why we need a union to force companies to be remote. Just don't work for those companies. Ama

Or simply go to a company that does embrace remote. I don't see why we need a union to force companies to be remote. Just don't work for those companies. Amazon tried this and I believe reversed the decision because so many devs quit. Now their warehouse workers do need a union from the sounds of things.

frfl 3y ago
> Or simply go to a company that does embrace remote. One does not simply go to another company right now. Hiring is slow, it's not 2021, and there's already thousands of others also looking for work. It's easy to say, harder to do. Especially if you have a family, in addition to a full time job at a game company (not exactly a low stress environment itself) > Amazon tried this and I believe reversed the decision because so many devs quit. Every single job I see on Amazon's page for Software is in-person non-remote. Maybe they made exceptions for some, but anyone joining right now won't be remote. Same thing for any other FANG/MAANA/etc, Correct me if I'm mistaken.
- theultdev 3y ago
  Well then I guess they'll have to go to the office while they look for a new employer, the horror. But yeah I suppose some could group together to force the policy decisions of where everyone works... Those damn employers supporting people's families.
  - text0404 3y ago
    those poor employers just trying to support everyone's families and those ungrateful developers working 7 days a week taking advantage of them, "building" the "products" that make the company "profitable" :( and now these maladjusted workers are thinking of organizing together??? for better working conditions??????? ridiculous. just go work at mcdonalds or something amirite
    - theultdev 3y ago
      Uhm where did you see they were making them work 7 days a week? This article is about them complaining about having to go into the office for 5 days. Working remotely is not a right. You have many people here who advocated against it vehemently for years. I prefer remote work and I'd only work for a full remote company, but in no way do I feel like it's my right to force a company to allow me be remote.
      - text0404 3y ago
        the article is about the game industry. it's kind of well known for its toxicity and poor working conditions. - https://uniglobalunion.org/news/video-game-workers-crushed/ https://uniglobalunion.org/news/video-game-workers-crushed/ - https://old.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/588cai/why_do_we_accept_such_crappy_working_conditions/ https://old.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/588cai/why_do_we_a... - https://www.ns-businesshub.com/business/working-conditions-in-the-video-game-industry/ https://www.ns-businesshub.com/business/working-conditions-i... - https://slate.com/technology/2023/07/video-game-industry-labor-cooperatives.html https://slate.com/technology/2023/07/video-game-industry-lab... > Working remotely is not a right. it is if your work drives the company's profits and you can organize with your fellow workers and demand it! > I prefer remote work and I'd only work for a full remote company, but in no way do I feel like it's my right to force a company to allow me be remote. good for you, some of us see the employer beholden to the people who actually drive the company. try not to police your fellow workers while we advocate for better lives.
        theultdev 3y ago
        > the article is about the game industry. it's kind of well known for its toxicity and poor working conditions. Ah yes it's about the gaming industry, not a specific topic like company shifting to office work during the last period of development and workers not wanting to go in to the office. Makes it easy to shift that goal post when it's just about the industry, but you're also arguing that remote work is a right, so I'm not sure you even fell for that. Is Rockstar demanding 7 days? No. What you said is false and irrelevant. Don't try to conflate things that are irrelevant to this particular discussion. Either you view remote work as a right or not. I don't.
fzzzy 3y ago
How many companies in the world are making gta 6?
- theultdev 3y ago
  So they reserve the right to work there because they're making cool stuff? But they also reserve the right not have to go into the office? I don't view remote work as a right. It's a policy decision of the employer, same as it's a policy decision of the employer on what they work on, including GTA.
  - fzzzy 3y ago
    I'm just saying working on gta 6 is not fungible, is all. I agree remote work is not a right, but for someone working on their dream project, the most advanced game in the world (arguably), it's probably not as easy as just going and working on something else.
    - theultdev 3y ago
      If it's such a dream project, I would think they wouldn't mind going in to the office during the final wrap up of developing it. The janitors don't mind going in to the Rockstar office and their job is much less of a dream job.
      - fzzzy 3y ago
        I think the disconnect is that rockstar made a lot of noise about trying to eliminate crunch after the nightmare crunch of red dead redemption 2. So if they are making people go back into the office to force crunch out of peer pressure, then they just lied.
        theultdev 3y ago
        It sounds to me like they want more coordination during the wrap up period. I see no evidence of demanding overtime or crunching. The article eludes to the "fear" of return to crunch, but nothing other than speculation. The only demand is to keep the remote work, nothing to do with hours or anything else. I will say, it is entirely unfair for them to force workers to return who under the previous policy moved further away.

frfl 3y ago

> Or simply go to a company that does embrace remote. One does not simply go to another company right now. Hiring is slow, it's not 2021, and there's already thousands of others also looking for work. It's easy to say, harder to do. Especially if you have a family, in addition to a full time job at a game company (not exactly a low stress environment itself) > Amazon tried this and I believe reversed the decision because so many devs quit. Every single job I see on Amazon's page for Software is in-person non-remote. Maybe they made exceptions for some, but anyone joining right now won't be remote. Same thing for any other FANG/MAANA/etc, Correct me if I'm mistaken.

theultdev 3y ago
Well then I guess they'll have to go to the office while they look for a new employer, the horror. But yeah I suppose some could group together to force the policy decisions of where everyone works... Those damn employers supporting people's families.
- text0404 3y ago
  those poor employers just trying to support everyone's families and those ungrateful developers working 7 days a week taking advantage of them, "building" the "products" that make the company "profitable" :( and now these maladjusted workers are thinking of organizing together??? for better working conditions??????? ridiculous. just go work at mcdonalds or something amirite
  - theultdev 3y ago
    Uhm where did you see they were making them work 7 days a week? This article is about them complaining about having to go into the office for 5 days. Working remotely is not a right. You have many people here who advocated against it vehemently for years. I prefer remote work and I'd only work for a full remote company, but in no way do I feel like it's my right to force a company to allow me be remote.
    - text0404 3y ago
      the article is about the game industry. it's kind of well known for its toxicity and poor working conditions. - https://uniglobalunion.org/news/video-game-workers-crushed/ https://uniglobalunion.org/news/video-game-workers-crushed/ - https://old.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/588cai/why_do_we_accept_such_crappy_working_conditions/ https://old.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/588cai/why_do_we_a... - https://www.ns-businesshub.com/business/working-conditions-in-the-video-game-industry/ https://www.ns-businesshub.com/business/working-conditions-i... - https://slate.com/technology/2023/07/video-game-industry-labor-cooperatives.html https://slate.com/technology/2023/07/video-game-industry-lab... > Working remotely is not a right. it is if your work drives the company's profits and you can organize with your fellow workers and demand it! > I prefer remote work and I'd only work for a full remote company, but in no way do I feel like it's my right to force a company to allow me be remote. good for you, some of us see the employer beholden to the people who actually drive the company. try not to police your fellow workers while we advocate for better lives.
      - theultdev 3y ago
        > the article is about the game industry. it's kind of well known for its toxicity and poor working conditions. Ah yes it's about the gaming industry, not a specific topic like company shifting to office work during the last period of development and workers not wanting to go in to the office. Makes it easy to shift that goal post when it's just about the industry, but you're also arguing that remote work is a right, so I'm not sure you even fell for that. Is Rockstar demanding 7 days? No. What you said is false and irrelevant. Don't try to conflate things that are irrelevant to this particular discussion. Either you view remote work as a right or not. I don't.

fzzzy 3y ago

How many companies in the world are making gta 6?

theultdev 3y ago
So they reserve the right to work there because they're making cool stuff? But they also reserve the right not have to go into the office? I don't view remote work as a right. It's a policy decision of the employer, same as it's a policy decision of the employer on what they work on, including GTA.
- fzzzy 3y ago
  I'm just saying working on gta 6 is not fungible, is all. I agree remote work is not a right, but for someone working on their dream project, the most advanced game in the world (arguably), it's probably not as easy as just going and working on something else.
  - theultdev 3y ago
    If it's such a dream project, I would think they wouldn't mind going in to the office during the final wrap up of developing it. The janitors don't mind going in to the Rockstar office and their job is much less of a dream job.
    - fzzzy 3y ago
      I think the disconnect is that rockstar made a lot of noise about trying to eliminate crunch after the nightmare crunch of red dead redemption 2. So if they are making people go back into the office to force crunch out of peer pressure, then they just lied.
      - theultdev 3y ago
        It sounds to me like they want more coordination during the wrap up period. I see no evidence of demanding overtime or crunching. The article eludes to the "fear" of return to crunch, but nothing other than speculation. The only demand is to keep the remote work, nothing to do with hours or anything else. I will say, it is entirely unfair for them to force workers to return who under the previous policy moved further away.