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You and everyone else in this thread know why. The list of benefits from Wayland is touted repeatedly, in every single one of these threads, for years. We get i

by k8svet 3y ago

You and everyone else in this thread know why. The list of benefits from Wayland is touted repeatedly, in every single one of these threads, for years. We get it, you don't care about mixed DPI, fractional scaling, HDR, non-tearing performance, VRR, a viable driver model for the 2020s, etc. You know, features that consumers expect. HN should ban these threads. They're g-d absolutely worse than the worst politics threads.

creshal 3y ago
Consumers mostly expect their computers to actually work, these days. They neither know or care about what "a viable driver model for the 2020s" is, they want screensharing to not break every other month.
- k8svet 3y ago
  You all really just drive home your ignorance when you say stuff like this. Screenshotting has never regressed to my knowledge, once it began working, in any wayland DE. I use Wayland. Every damn day. I make a lot of money doing software engineering. All day. I screen share all day.
  - creshal 3y ago
    Screenshotting != Screensharing The last two jobs I worked in was in linux-heavy devops departments. The Wayland users are having far more trouble than any of the X11/Mac/Windows users, and probably more than all of them combined. Maybe it is possible that all of them are just "holding it wrong", but if Wayland is that easy to break, it's still a no sell for me.
    - k8svet 3y ago
      I'll send $500 to a charity of your choice if you can show me booting current Fedora, firing up GNOME or KDE and failing to take a single screenshot. Same offer if you can do Sway and grim. And running an X11-only abandonware screenshot tool doesn't really count whenever they tend to ship with supported tools. And knowing how all this works, it's exceedingly hard to imagine screensharing working, but not screenshots (it would mean you have managed to get dmabuf+pipewire working while somehow having XDG Portals misconfigured badly enough to somehow only break screenshots. It's contrived to the point of being a condemenation of the distro in question, if it's actually even a real scenario.) I've been taking screenshots in Sway for longer than I can remember, GNOME and KDE have supported the same screenshot interfaces for literally years. (Unsurprisingly, I also send dozens of screenshots to the work chat or coworkers on a daily basis. I've been using Grim since I went to Europe over 5 years ago. Same program. Same hotkey binding. Same PNGs dumped into a dir.)
      - creshal 3y ago
        Please go back and read again what I wrote. I never talked about screenshots until you brought it up. You're literally tilting at windmills here, I'll just leave this conversation.
jeltz 3y ago
Most users do not care about those things, not when much more basic things still do not work.
- k8svet 3y ago
  LIKE WHAT? I can't name a single "basic" broken thing that users care about more than their freakin displays being actually decent looking to their human eyeballs. I swear to God, none of you have bought a laptop in the past 8 years. Acting like your tiling manager being able to list windows is more important that mixed DPI scaling, I just can't take any of it seriously.
  - declaredapple 3y ago
    > LIKE WHAT? Well it being a stuttery mess for one. I could care less any of the features you mentioned when games or even the desktop is unusable. Signal couldn't even render correctly. I had a myriad of other issues, switching to x11 fixed it.
declaredapple 3y ago
> We get it, you don't care about mixed DPI, fractional scaling, HDR, non-tearing performance, VRR, a viable driver model for the 2020s, etc. FWIW my previous experience a year ago was a stuttery mess making it a complete non-starter. I do need to give it another go though. I do need to give it another go though.

by k8svet 3y ago

creshal 3y ago

Consumers mostly expect their computers to actually work, these days. They neither know or care about what "a viable driver model for the 2020s" is, they want screensharing to not break every other month.

k8svet 3y ago
You all really just drive home your ignorance when you say stuff like this. Screenshotting has never regressed to my knowledge, once it began working, in any wayland DE. I use Wayland. Every damn day. I make a lot of money doing software engineering. All day. I screen share all day.
- creshal 3y ago
  Screenshotting != Screensharing The last two jobs I worked in was in linux-heavy devops departments. The Wayland users are having far more trouble than any of the X11/Mac/Windows users, and probably more than all of them combined. Maybe it is possible that all of them are just "holding it wrong", but if Wayland is that easy to break, it's still a no sell for me.
  - k8svet 3y ago
    I'll send $500 to a charity of your choice if you can show me booting current Fedora, firing up GNOME or KDE and failing to take a single screenshot. Same offer if you can do Sway and grim. And running an X11-only abandonware screenshot tool doesn't really count whenever they tend to ship with supported tools. And knowing how all this works, it's exceedingly hard to imagine screensharing working, but not screenshots (it would mean you have managed to get dmabuf+pipewire working while somehow having XDG Portals misconfigured badly enough to somehow only break screenshots. It's contrived to the point of being a condemenation of the distro in question, if it's actually even a real scenario.) I've been taking screenshots in Sway for longer than I can remember, GNOME and KDE have supported the same screenshot interfaces for literally years. (Unsurprisingly, I also send dozens of screenshots to the work chat or coworkers on a daily basis. I've been using Grim since I went to Europe over 5 years ago. Same program. Same hotkey binding. Same PNGs dumped into a dir.)
    - creshal 3y ago
      Please go back and read again what I wrote. I never talked about screenshots until you brought it up. You're literally tilting at windmills here, I'll just leave this conversation.

jeltz 3y ago

Most users do not care about those things, not when much more basic things still do not work.

k8svet 3y ago
LIKE WHAT? I can't name a single "basic" broken thing that users care about more than their freakin displays being actually decent looking to their human eyeballs. I swear to God, none of you have bought a laptop in the past 8 years. Acting like your tiling manager being able to list windows is more important that mixed DPI scaling, I just can't take any of it seriously.
- declaredapple 3y ago
  > LIKE WHAT? Well it being a stuttery mess for one. I could care less any of the features you mentioned when games or even the desktop is unusable. Signal couldn't even render correctly. I had a myriad of other issues, switching to x11 fixed it.

declaredapple 3y ago

> We get it, you don't care about mixed DPI, fractional scaling, HDR, non-tearing performance, VRR, a viable driver model for the 2020s, etc. FWIW my previous experience a year ago was a stuttery mess making it a complete non-starter. I do need to give it another go though. I do need to give it another go though.