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> having to find a charging station for your EV and having to sit there for an hour or longer A Tesla can supercharge 200 miles in 15 minutes

xenospn 3y ago
If you can find a free charger. Where I live (LA) there’s long queues more often than not.
- frumper 3y ago
  I imagine a gas station giving out free gas would also have a long queue.
fnordpiglet 3y ago
And you can go grab a Starbucks without sucking down a bunch of carcinogenic fumes during that time. I have a home charger but never use it. I have never once wished I could go to a gas station, and whenever I drive a dinosaur fume contraption and end up at a gas station I’m reminded of what a filthy end to end system the age of fire was. I’m glad to see the age of Maxwell begin.
jajko 3y ago
Here in Geneva, Switzerland there is exactly one place with superchargers, metro area easily over 1.5 million and some of the wealthiest and most powerful folks live here or often move through here. I think they have 24 chargers altogether in that spot. Next nearest in Switzerland is some 120km away. That's basically a non-existent network. Colleague who has model S told me he can charge at his house cca 9km/hour. With commuting he ends up almost empty at the end of the work week, and has this additional worry constantly. Service outside warranty is supposedly sky high. Not that great a proposition.
- ghaff 3y ago
  To be fair service outside of warranty for luxury cars in general is pretty sky high, especially absent a trusted independent mechanic who you can work with. But, yeah, I haven't seriously considered an EV. There isn't a model in my sweet spot, I don't drive much on a day-to-day basis and, when I do, it can be fairly long drives to fairly remote areas. Maybe someday but I'm either on a road trip or fuel stops are generally weeeks apart from each other.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  While technically true for Geneva proper, there are 4 in the metro area within 15 minutes apart, including Saint-Julien-en-Genevois, Archamps, and Annemasse, for a total of 64 superchargers. Take a look at their map: https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=46.27947171966766%2C6.568387982177728%2C45.993990271510995%2C5.680212017822259&zoom=12&filters=supercharger%2Cnacs&search=Geneva%2C%20Switzerland&location=archampssupercharger https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=46.27947171966766%2C...
- tzs 3y ago
  > Next nearest in Switzerland is some 120km away. There are also three within 10 km of the one in Geneva if you are willing to cross the border into France. How open is that border?
  - polotics 3y ago
    It's very open, but pretty crowded, so you have to add the duration of traffic jams to that charging time...
bagels 3y ago
A Tesla can? Mine always takes 45-60 mins for that much.

xenospn 3y ago

If you can find a free charger. Where I live (LA) there’s long queues more often than not.

frumper 3y ago
I imagine a gas station giving out free gas would also have a long queue.

fnordpiglet 3y ago

And you can go grab a Starbucks without sucking down a bunch of carcinogenic fumes during that time. I have a home charger but never use it. I have never once wished I could go to a gas station, and whenever I drive a dinosaur fume contraption and end up at a gas station I’m reminded of what a filthy end to end system the age of fire was. I’m glad to see the age of Maxwell begin.

jajko 3y ago

Here in Geneva, Switzerland there is exactly one place with superchargers, metro area easily over 1.5 million and some of the wealthiest and most powerful folks live here or often move through here. I think they have 24 chargers altogether in that spot. Next nearest in Switzerland is some 120km away. That's basically a non-existent network. Colleague who has model S told me he can charge at his house cca 9km/hour. With commuting he ends up almost empty at the end of the work week, and has this additional worry constantly. Service outside warranty is supposedly sky high. Not that great a proposition.

ghaff 3y ago
To be fair service outside of warranty for luxury cars in general is pretty sky high, especially absent a trusted independent mechanic who you can work with. But, yeah, I haven't seriously considered an EV. There isn't a model in my sweet spot, I don't drive much on a day-to-day basis and, when I do, it can be fairly long drives to fairly remote areas. Maybe someday but I'm either on a road trip or fuel stops are generally weeeks apart from each other.
reducesuffering 3y ago
While technically true for Geneva proper, there are 4 in the metro area within 15 minutes apart, including Saint-Julien-en-Genevois, Archamps, and Annemasse, for a total of 64 superchargers. Take a look at their map: https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=46.27947171966766%2C6.568387982177728%2C45.993990271510995%2C5.680212017822259&zoom=12&filters=supercharger%2Cnacs&search=Geneva%2C%20Switzerland&location=archampssupercharger https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bounds=46.27947171966766%2C...
tzs 3y ago
> Next nearest in Switzerland is some 120km away. There are also three within 10 km of the one in Geneva if you are willing to cross the border into France. How open is that border?
- polotics 3y ago
  It's very open, but pretty crowded, so you have to add the duration of traffic jams to that charging time...

bagels 3y ago

A Tesla can? Mine always takes 45-60 mins for that much.