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To get a decent daily cross the city charger installed in my garage, I have to spend some $3,000 just on electrical work because I have to upgrade service. Curr

by wredue 3y ago

To get a decent daily cross the city charger installed in my garage, I have to spend some $3,000 just on electrical work because I have to upgrade service. Currently unsubsidized because my government doesn’t believe climate change is real. This is before the average $700 to install the charger. Vehicle prices have skyrocketed, and while my family makes well in to 6 figures, cars are just not a thing we want to spent lots of money on. Dropping 80k on a vehicle is WAY past what we’d ever consider. Critical infrastructure is non-existent for highway trips (again, government doesn’t believe in climate change). For me it’s simply not practical. There’s too many annoying barriers.

seattle_spring 3y ago
Just curious, why did you use "80k" as a figure for car prices? That's very deep into luxury car prices. You can easily get a fully electric 2023+ model car used with less than 10k miles for $25k, and new ones in the 30s.
Ekaros 3y ago
If government truly believed in climate change they would ban passenger cars. Both for taxis and private use. Or gave out very limited purchase licenses.
- hciektnxn7 3y ago
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fnordpiglet 3y ago
Not sure which government but the US has a pretty complete super charger network for Tesla owners and opening up to other brands. I actually have a charger at home but never use it. I just drop by the super chargers around town or along all the highways and grab a 15 minute charge while I grab a Starbucks or lunch once a week.
hciektnxn7 3y ago
so if the government believed that climate change was real they would provide you with free EVs and charging hardware?
- wredue 3y ago
  No, but they might not actively suppress EVs, and instead might choose to subsidize some costs. Federally some subsidies exist, but provincially, Canada has some real “winners”.
kwhitefoot 3y ago
Why would you need such a lot of work done? A normal domestic 230 V 10 A supply is enough to add 10 km of range per hour so if you plug it in at 20:00 and unplug at 06:00 you have added 100 km. That's far more than the average daily distance for the vast majority of users. > Dropping 80k on a vehicle is WAY past You can get perfectly useable EVs for under half that in Europe. Are they not available in the US? See https://ev-database.org/uk/cheatsheet/price-electric-car https://ev-database.org/uk/cheatsheet/price-electric-car. It lists 19 models under 40 kUSD.
- wredue 3y ago
  It’s Canada, where we have a price premium for “shipping” even for products that are built here. Gouging is the Canadian way. But that said, I see that we do have the very low trim options for ranges I would entertain starting at 50k rather than my initial 80k. That’s still more than we’ve ever spent on a vehicle. I will have to wait for better used options, but at the moment, there is no “practical” difference between used or new, at least not in Canada. There is literally no “not abused by someone else” value at all. Value now is basically just choosing kilometers, and even that floors somewhere around 20k (seeing 10 year old vehicles with 300,000 kilometers for 20k was regular when we were shopping a couple years back).

by wredue 3y ago

seattle_spring 3y ago

Just curious, why did you use "80k" as a figure for car prices? That's very deep into luxury car prices. You can easily get a fully electric 2023+ model car used with less than 10k miles for $25k, and new ones in the 30s.

Ekaros 3y ago

If government truly believed in climate change they would ban passenger cars. Both for taxis and private use. Or gave out very limited purchase licenses.

hciektnxn7 3y ago
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fnordpiglet 3y ago

Not sure which government but the US has a pretty complete super charger network for Tesla owners and opening up to other brands. I actually have a charger at home but never use it. I just drop by the super chargers around town or along all the highways and grab a 15 minute charge while I grab a Starbucks or lunch once a week.

hciektnxn7 3y ago

so if the government believed that climate change was real they would provide you with free EVs and charging hardware?

wredue 3y ago
No, but they might not actively suppress EVs, and instead might choose to subsidize some costs. Federally some subsidies exist, but provincially, Canada has some real “winners”.

kwhitefoot 3y ago

Why would you need such a lot of work done? A normal domestic 230 V 10 A supply is enough to add 10 km of range per hour so if you plug it in at 20:00 and unplug at 06:00 you have added 100 km. That's far more than the average daily distance for the vast majority of users. > Dropping 80k on a vehicle is WAY past You can get perfectly useable EVs for under half that in Europe. Are they not available in the US? See https://ev-database.org/uk/cheatsheet/price-electric-car https://ev-database.org/uk/cheatsheet/price-electric-car. It lists 19 models under 40 kUSD.

wredue 3y ago
It’s Canada, where we have a price premium for “shipping” even for products that are built here. Gouging is the Canadian way. But that said, I see that we do have the very low trim options for ranges I would entertain starting at 50k rather than my initial 80k. That’s still more than we’ve ever spent on a vehicle. I will have to wait for better used options, but at the moment, there is no “practical” difference between used or new, at least not in Canada. There is literally no “not abused by someone else” value at all. Value now is basically just choosing kilometers, and even that floors somewhere around 20k (seeing 10 year old vehicles with 300,000 kilometers for 20k was regular when we were shopping a couple years back).