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KDE/Wayland/Nvidia->random bugs KDE/X11/Nvidia->No random bugs It is a show stopper when the alternative is more reliable. If I'm playing around, ie, not doing

KDE/Wayland/Nvidia->random bugs KDE/X11/Nvidia->No random bugs It is a show stopper when the alternative is more reliable. If I'm playing around, ie, not doing actual work, sure, wayland is cool, and fine. I get the draw. When I'm trying to get something done, I'd much rather use X11 for now.

bogwog 3y ago
I said it was perfectly usable and I meant that. It's my full-time primary workstation, which I use for "actual work" every day. I could waste time elaborating on why that is, listing the odd bugs I mentioned, etc. But I suspect you're part of that crowd that froths at the mouth whenever the name "Wayland" is brought up no matter what. No other explanation explains why you'd leap from "odd bugs" to the inability to "get something done". Instead, I'll just leave my system build so anyone passing by can give it a go if they want to actually try it out: * Fedora Kinoite 39 * Nvidia rtx 4090 (driver 545.29.06) * AMD Ryzen 9 7900
- jtriangle 3y ago
  I'm not part of any group, much less one that 'froths' unless you're talking about frothing milk, in which case, yes, I am very much a part of the milk frother's group, that shit's delicious. That toungue in cheek answer is all you deserve, being that HN users like you are a big problem, ie, ones that assume liberally about other users. We'll see if you're in the worst of the worst camp if you fail to recant your assumption. You're using Fedora, which, they've patched up their flavor of KDE pretty well to work with Wayland/Nividia. I don't use Fedora, and I don't really like Fedora so switching isn't something I'm personally interested in, and the easy KDE installs I have access to through my distros of choice don't support Wayland/Nvidia well, but work fine with x11. And "x11 is fine" is a part of the discussion that, I don't see come up nearly enough in the "use wayland/don't use wayland" discussions online. What exactly do you get out of using wayland? The answer is "nothing worth more than a bugfree experience". Objectively. And don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for wayland, I get the benefits full well, and I don't think I'm rooting in vain, it'll get there. I also accept that "getting there" is going to involve pushing it into distros before it's really ready in order to generate bug reports. Debian handles this currently by defaulting to wayland where it can, and allowing for an easy way back to x11 if needed. I think that's reasonable enough. I also think debian should have had it defaulted the other way around for another year or two but, I'm far from 'frothing' about it. All that to say, wayland's not ready for prod. X11 is fine, and will continue to be fine until wayland is ready for prod, and like many things in the linux space, it is indeed better to wait until then unless you have an actual need that can't be satisfied by x11.

bogwog 3y ago

I said it was perfectly usable and I meant that. It's my full-time primary workstation, which I use for "actual work" every day. I could waste time elaborating on why that is, listing the odd bugs I mentioned, etc. But I suspect you're part of that crowd that froths at the mouth whenever the name "Wayland" is brought up no matter what. No other explanation explains why you'd leap from "odd bugs" to the inability to "get something done". Instead, I'll just leave my system build so anyone passing by can give it a go if they want to actually try it out: * Fedora Kinoite 39 * Nvidia rtx 4090 (driver 545.29.06) * AMD Ryzen 9 7900

jtriangle 3y ago
I'm not part of any group, much less one that 'froths' unless you're talking about frothing milk, in which case, yes, I am very much a part of the milk frother's group, that shit's delicious. That toungue in cheek answer is all you deserve, being that HN users like you are a big problem, ie, ones that assume liberally about other users. We'll see if you're in the worst of the worst camp if you fail to recant your assumption. You're using Fedora, which, they've patched up their flavor of KDE pretty well to work with Wayland/Nividia. I don't use Fedora, and I don't really like Fedora so switching isn't something I'm personally interested in, and the easy KDE installs I have access to through my distros of choice don't support Wayland/Nvidia well, but work fine with x11. And "x11 is fine" is a part of the discussion that, I don't see come up nearly enough in the "use wayland/don't use wayland" discussions online. What exactly do you get out of using wayland? The answer is "nothing worth more than a bugfree experience". Objectively. And don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for wayland, I get the benefits full well, and I don't think I'm rooting in vain, it'll get there. I also accept that "getting there" is going to involve pushing it into distros before it's really ready in order to generate bug reports. Debian handles this currently by defaulting to wayland where it can, and allowing for an easy way back to x11 if needed. I think that's reasonable enough. I also think debian should have had it defaulted the other way around for another year or two but, I'm far from 'frothing' about it. All that to say, wayland's not ready for prod. X11 is fine, and will continue to be fine until wayland is ready for prod, and like many things in the linux space, it is indeed better to wait until then unless you have an actual need that can't be satisfied by x11.