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When the problem is murder, and you adopt a policy that condemns murder, you don't call the policymaker a murderer. The first action (murder) constitutes takin

by idm 14y ago

When the problem is murder, and you adopt a policy that condemns murder, you don't call the policymaker a murderer. The first action (murder) constitutes taking someone's life, and the other (the policy) amounts to a prohibition on that. They're opposites. See? > But, no, what we get is racism and sexism: "We think the only commonality worth talking about are the superficial physical ones". You do realize that there is a very real problem with sexism, right? That is, there are people who are already behaving badly on the basis of superficial physical differences. If you can step back from what you've written, maybe you can realize the absurdity of labeling an anti-harassment policy as "sexism and racism." In short: chill out. If you're at the conference for the speakers, then this policy isn't about you. If you're there for the booth babes, then you're the type of brogrammer being targeted, and your comment would then make complete sense. I don't think that's who you are, though, so seriously: chill. This anti-harassment policy isn't sexism.

batista 14y ago
>When the problem is murder, and you adopt a policy that condemns murder, you don't call the policymaker a murderer. The first action (murder) constitutes taking someone's life, and the other (the policy) amounts to a prohibition on that. They're opposites. See? When the problem is not X, and your main policy is "condemn X", then you aren't addressing the real issues behind conference attendance, etc. So I'd argue the whole "harassment"/"sexism" thing is an overblown out of proportion thing, and I'd rather hear about your bloody actual content. Not to mention that the me-too emphasis on "inclusion"/"sexism-fighting" etc fad sends people away. I want to come there to learn about Ruby and have some nice chats with other developers, etc, not to fight social ills the presense of which I might not even agree with in the first place ("Oh, someone show some slides that included some humorous sexual innuendo in a programming conference, we must stop this sexism and condemn it for all eternity"). If someone stomps an ant or bites a bat a la Ozzy in his next presentation, will we also get the obligatory PETA references in every conference program? >You do realize that there is a very real problem with sexism, right? That is, there are people who are already behaving badly on the basis of superficial physical differences. Superficial as regards to programming and intellectual capacity. Because, in other ways not only are they not superficial but an extremely powerful biological mechanism is at play regarding those differences. I.e men are attracted to women and vice versa, and this is even how the whole species (including conference organizers) currently exists.

by idm 14y ago

batista 14y ago

>When the problem is murder, and you adopt a policy that condemns murder, you don't call the policymaker a murderer. The first action (murder) constitutes taking someone's life, and the other (the policy) amounts to a prohibition on that. They're opposites. See? When the problem is not X, and your main policy is "condemn X", then you aren't addressing the real issues behind conference attendance, etc. So I'd argue the whole "harassment"/"sexism" thing is an overblown out of proportion thing, and I'd rather hear about your bloody actual content. Not to mention that the me-too emphasis on "inclusion"/"sexism-fighting" etc fad sends people away. I want to come there to learn about Ruby and have some nice chats with other developers, etc, not to fight social ills the presense of which I might not even agree with in the first place ("Oh, someone show some slides that included some humorous sexual innuendo in a programming conference, we must stop this sexism and condemn it for all eternity"). If someone stomps an ant or bites a bat a la Ozzy in his next presentation, will we also get the obligatory PETA references in every conference program? >You do realize that there is a very real problem with sexism, right? That is, there are people who are already behaving badly on the basis of superficial physical differences. Superficial as regards to programming and intellectual capacity. Because, in other ways not only are they not superficial but an extremely powerful biological mechanism is at play regarding those differences. I.e men are attracted to women and vice versa, and this is even how the whole species (including conference organizers) currently exists.