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Gemini's heavy handed racial diversity is a funny (to me) clumsy and ridiculuous mistake, but there are tons of way more insidious things since "don't be evil"

Gemini's heavy handed racial diversity is a funny (to me) clumsy and ridiculuous mistake, but there are tons of way more insidious things since "don't be evil" ceased to be the motto. This doesn't even rate.

ldjkfkdsjnv 3y ago
What could be more pernicious than erasing critical historical events, and attempting to wipe away cultural identity? What could be more marxist?
- sgift 3y ago
  > What could be more marxist? What has marxism have to do with any of this?
  - ZunarJ5 3y ago
    It's spooky and Russian, or something.
  - doctor_eval 3y ago
    Sounds kinda Stalinist to me.
  - ZeroGravitas 3y ago
    [flagged]
- janice1999 3y ago
  > What could be more pernicious How about providing services to an organisation with a long history of organising coups, undermining democracy, formenting civil wars and actively participating in the torture and murders of countless people simply because they were deemed socialist? [1] [1] https://www.nextgov.com/modernization/2020/11/exclusive-cia-awards-secret-multibillion-dollar-cloud-contract/170227/ https://www.nextgov.com/modernization/2020/11/exclusive-cia-...
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    I'd file refusing to provide any services to the CIA over decades-old gripes closer to the performative activism the author criticises than anything evil. (If you're running Guantanamo Bay's payroll, sure.)
- felixgallo 3y ago
  [flagged]
- raydev 3y ago
  I don't think an "image generator", a tool that generates images that never existed before, can be held to any sort of standard that results in history being erased.
mc32 3y ago
The weird thing is internal people _knew_ they had this problem but were too scared to escalate up the chain of command for fear as being seen as promoting the wrong ideology despite the results being very obviously wrong. There is a little blowback due to the ridiculous nature of the erasure. But... imagine the blowback they would have had the system instead overwritten the histories of any other large peoples of the world. Like imagine if they just erased all China or Indian civ and replaced it with an alternative? The blowback would be slightly higher, I think.
- minimaxir 3y ago
  I don't believe there's any reporting confirming your first claim aside from hearsay on Twitter/X.
  - mc32 3y ago
    You don't think this was circulating internally at all? Do they not eat test/eat their own dogfood? Surely memegen was rife... This was not "Tay".
ejb999 3y ago
this just made it harder for them to hide it.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> there are tons of way more insidious things since "don't be evil" ceased to be the motto But they're insidiously boring or faraway [1]. Black Nazis are punchy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Google
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  also laughable. many of the other sins aren't as absurd, and are often too abstract for the average person to get upset.
me_me_me 3y ago
> heavy handed racial diversity Hmmm, intresting term... there is another term when one racial group is sidelined and push out in favour of others... it escapes my mind at the moment.
- mmmpetrichor 3y ago
  Did you think their implementation was good? It seemed super naive and clunky to me. I think its potentially a huge problem that when you ask an image generator to show a person, that person is almost always white, unless you give some huge bias in your prompt. I also think google did a shitty job trying to address that issue.
  - me_me_me 3y ago
    when I ask for image of pope and it only generates black pope, you might have an issue. The inclusion and diversity ideas on the surface sounds good but when it comes to implementation they produce counter productive outcomes. When I was starting career in software women were quite rare, but every single one of woman I worked with were above average at minimum. Now you get ton of women who did postgrad course and suddenly are programmers and 'somehow' passed an interview without any idea how to program. Sure now we have more women 'engineers' we are more divers, the real outcome. The actual woman engineers have it harder to be not view through prism of diversity hires.

ldjkfkdsjnv 3y ago

What could be more pernicious than erasing critical historical events, and attempting to wipe away cultural identity? What could be more marxist?

sgift 3y ago
> What could be more marxist? What has marxism have to do with any of this?
- ZunarJ5 3y ago
  It's spooky and Russian, or something.
- doctor_eval 3y ago
  Sounds kinda Stalinist to me.
- ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  [flagged]
janice1999 3y ago
> What could be more pernicious How about providing services to an organisation with a long history of organising coups, undermining democracy, formenting civil wars and actively participating in the torture and murders of countless people simply because they were deemed socialist? [1] [1] https://www.nextgov.com/modernization/2020/11/exclusive-cia-awards-secret-multibillion-dollar-cloud-contract/170227/ https://www.nextgov.com/modernization/2020/11/exclusive-cia-...
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  I'd file refusing to provide any services to the CIA over decades-old gripes closer to the performative activism the author criticises than anything evil. (If you're running Guantanamo Bay's payroll, sure.)
felixgallo 3y ago
[flagged]
raydev 3y ago
I don't think an "image generator", a tool that generates images that never existed before, can be held to any sort of standard that results in history being erased.

mc32 3y ago

The weird thing is internal people _knew_ they had this problem but were too scared to escalate up the chain of command for fear as being seen as promoting the wrong ideology despite the results being very obviously wrong. There is a little blowback due to the ridiculous nature of the erasure. But... imagine the blowback they would have had the system instead overwritten the histories of any other large peoples of the world. Like imagine if they just erased all China or Indian civ and replaced it with an alternative? The blowback would be slightly higher, I think.

minimaxir 3y ago
I don't believe there's any reporting confirming your first claim aside from hearsay on Twitter/X.
- mc32 3y ago
  You don't think this was circulating internally at all? Do they not eat test/eat their own dogfood? Surely memegen was rife... This was not "Tay".

ejb999 3y ago

this just made it harder for them to hide it.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> there are tons of way more insidious things since "don't be evil" ceased to be the motto But they're insidiously boring or faraway [1]. Black Nazis are punchy. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Google

red-iron-pine 3y ago
also laughable. many of the other sins aren't as absurd, and are often too abstract for the average person to get upset.

me_me_me 3y ago

> heavy handed racial diversity Hmmm, intresting term... there is another term when one racial group is sidelined and push out in favour of others... it escapes my mind at the moment.

mmmpetrichor 3y ago
Did you think their implementation was good? It seemed super naive and clunky to me. I think its potentially a huge problem that when you ask an image generator to show a person, that person is almost always white, unless you give some huge bias in your prompt. I also think google did a shitty job trying to address that issue.
- me_me_me 3y ago
  when I ask for image of pope and it only generates black pope, you might have an issue. The inclusion and diversity ideas on the surface sounds good but when it comes to implementation they produce counter productive outcomes. When I was starting career in software women were quite rare, but every single one of woman I worked with were above average at minimum. Now you get ton of women who did postgrad course and suddenly are programmers and 'somehow' passed an interview without any idea how to program. Sure now we have more women 'engineers' we are more divers, the real outcome. The actual woman engineers have it harder to be not view through prism of diversity hires.