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It seems that reviewers like this are still on the Paul-as-hero boat. It's easy to take the first film and even the book that way, despite the premonitions of f
by floren 3y ago
It seems that reviewers like this are still on the Paul-as-hero boat. It's easy to take the first film and even the book that way, despite the premonitions of future destruction and disaster that exist in both, and I assume part 2 is going to largely continue the same way. But I really hope Villeneuve has the guts to hold true to Herbert's overall message about "heroes", where after defeating the evil Harkonnens and the bad old Emperor, Paul basically turns to the Fremen and says, "Ok, warm up the planet sterilizer weapons, the jihad begins now."
Capturing the sense of inevitability that Paul feels as his prescience leads him, one obvious next step at a time, to the killing of billions and establishment of himself as galactic despot, that's a hard thing in film.
- sonicanatidae 3y agoThey likely won't get to that point. I expect them to end this Dune like the 80s Dune ended or very close. The points you bring up are really 2nd book and beyond and I suspect trying to add that in would just confuse people who don't already know the Dune story. They would also be tough to communicate in a video format, as compared to a book, as the depth will be lost. Regardless, I'm anxious to watch part 2 of the current Dune. The first part was great, imo. I only had minor nitpicks, but otherwise fantastic!
- azemetre 3y agoI'm pretty sure Denis Villeneuve has said on the record that he plans on adapting Dune Messiah if the movies are successful, which is a great bookend to Paul Atreides story.
- sonicanatidae 3y agoThat would be awesome. I would love to see his take on the next part.
- azemetre 3y agoFor sure, I feel like that movie has to spend time showing the galactic jihad and the true horrors it brings. The book just skips this (which works too IMO, but not suitable for movies; ya gotta show, not tell).
- Balgair 3y agoI've not seen part 2 yet. But, if they really are making a trilogy and the second part ends on a high note, then classic film-writing tells us that the overall trilogy is bound to be a tragedy not a comedy. The end of the second act (in 3-act plays/movies) is either the nadir of the protagonist's journey, or the height of the tragic-hero's success. At least per storytelling books. Most stories are told in 5 acts [0], and in comedies the hero/protagonist sees the darkest point in the story at the end of the 4th act. Thereby giving the hero the largest contrast possible in climbing out of the depths to their heights at the end of the story; the most cathartic path possible. In tragedies, the protagonist/tragic-hero sees them at the height of their power/fortunes at the end of the 4th act. Thereby giving the protagonist the greatest fall possible; the most repression for the audience. [0] The reasons for this going all the way back to Shakespeare and the odd interplay between the size of human bladders (~2.5 hours) and the burn length of the candles from the company near the Globe (~40 minutes).
- cykros 3y agoNot sure I'd call it the bookend, unless you consider the preacher from Children to have been something that was just knocked off the shelf...
- azemetre 3y agoI mean from an audience perspective, seeing the jihad and the repercussions of it then how indifferent Paul is to it all; he rightfully comes across as a fascist dictator, I mean he killed over 60 billion people after all. You don't do that unless you're a truly evil person. Been several decades since I read Messiah but it ends with Paul walking into the desert abdicating his cause in the destruction he wrought. Yeah he sticks around for another book (or two? been a while), but the story clearly delineates after the second book IMO.
- dogma1138 3y agoI wonder how they’ll deal with the genocide of billions of people that followed in his trail. Since they’ve already changed the Jihad parts I’m guessing they’ll skip over that too.
- narag 3y agoBut I really hope Villeneuve has the guts to hold true to Herbert's overall message about "heroes" In the first part, Paul has a vision in the tent, after Harkonnens' attack. He is horrified by a yihad extending through the galaxy like an unstoppable wildfire: "it's your fault, Bene Geseriths made me a monster"... so maybe that's the intention after all.
- justanotherjoe 3y agoPaul-as-hero thing is unique challenge because, yes, it's the warning of the book. But at the same time, you have to show just how persuasive such leaders could be, and how much 'narrative sense' it makes. The audience should feel like the Fremen and empathise with their fervor. If it's not super convincing, then it misses the whole point.