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> Schröder’s findings showed that younger individuals (regardless of what generation they’re from) tend to find work less important and that the importance of w

by gipp 3y ago

> Schröder’s findings showed that younger individuals (regardless of what generation they’re from) tend to find work less important and that the importance of work has been going down over time. Uh, isn't that exactly what you'd find if newer generations find work less important? What's the difference between "newer generations find work less important" and "attitudes towards the importance of work are trending downward?"

doctorwho42 3y ago
I feel like the main difference is that my generation looks at the purpose of the work they do and realize that it doesn't improve the world. And when you are aware of the climate crisis we are living through, and have been our entire lives, how do you convince yourself to care about making someone else's line go up and to the right? Not like a majority of millennials will see any real benefits of making the stock market go so high, while the necessary actions to make a sustainable future are lagging behind where some of the brightest scientists say we should be.
- grumpyinfosec 3y ago
  Depends on the person. Alot of people don't really care about the macro. They go to work to add value, seek the admiration of their peers, not get fired (etc) and then go home and do something else. Living your entire life without really worrying about geopolitical bullshit that you have no agency over may very well be the optimal strategy. We have people for that.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    > Living your entire life without really worrying about geopolitical bullshit that you have no agency over may very well be the optimal strategy. But they do have agency. For example, if you don’t like the deal being offered where you have kids and then work to the bone to skirt by so that someone else’s line goes up, you can choose to not have kids. Eventually, this will impact the other person who wants their line goes up.
    - grumpyinfosec 3y ago
      i'm not sure many people would deny themselves the self-actualization / biological urge of becoming a parent for something as nebulous as sticking it to the man. People certainly didn't stop having children when we all where subsistence farmers or worked in glided aged era sweatshops to save them from the burden of being alive under the boot of capitalism.
      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        A comparison cannot be made between times when women did not have access to contraception / financial independence to times when women do have access to those things. And from my mid 30s cohort and younger acquaintences, I think that while they do not explicitly say their decision is about someone else’s line going up, the implication is there that if they cannot afford their kids a certain minimum quality of life, then they are willing to go without kids. More specifically, if they are going to have to deal with living in a cramped apartment (in their preferred location) and the volatility of rents or a giant mortgage, then they are willing to forego having kids.
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paxys 3y ago
The disconnect is that your parents' and grandparents' generation was working significantly less and considering work less important than you when they were your age.

by gipp 3y ago

doctorwho42 3y ago

I feel like the main difference is that my generation looks at the purpose of the work they do and realize that it doesn't improve the world. And when you are aware of the climate crisis we are living through, and have been our entire lives, how do you convince yourself to care about making someone else's line go up and to the right? Not like a majority of millennials will see any real benefits of making the stock market go so high, while the necessary actions to make a sustainable future are lagging behind where some of the brightest scientists say we should be.

grumpyinfosec 3y ago
Depends on the person. Alot of people don't really care about the macro. They go to work to add value, seek the admiration of their peers, not get fired (etc) and then go home and do something else. Living your entire life without really worrying about geopolitical bullshit that you have no agency over may very well be the optimal strategy. We have people for that.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  > Living your entire life without really worrying about geopolitical bullshit that you have no agency over may very well be the optimal strategy. But they do have agency. For example, if you don’t like the deal being offered where you have kids and then work to the bone to skirt by so that someone else’s line goes up, you can choose to not have kids. Eventually, this will impact the other person who wants their line goes up.
  - grumpyinfosec 3y ago
    i'm not sure many people would deny themselves the self-actualization / biological urge of becoming a parent for something as nebulous as sticking it to the man. People certainly didn't stop having children when we all where subsistence farmers or worked in glided aged era sweatshops to save them from the burden of being alive under the boot of capitalism.
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      A comparison cannot be made between times when women did not have access to contraception / financial independence to times when women do have access to those things. And from my mid 30s cohort and younger acquaintences, I think that while they do not explicitly say their decision is about someone else’s line going up, the implication is there that if they cannot afford their kids a certain minimum quality of life, then they are willing to go without kids. More specifically, if they are going to have to deal with living in a cramped apartment (in their preferred location) and the volatility of rents or a giant mortgage, then they are willing to forego having kids.
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paxys 3y ago

The disconnect is that your parents' and grandparents' generation was working significantly less and considering work less important than you when they were your age.