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So the TL;DR is a pair of activist investors have been submitting the same or similar proposals around carbon emission reduction repeatedly for years and Exxon

So the TL;DR is a pair of activist investors have been submitting the same or similar proposals around carbon emission reduction repeatedly for years and Exxon is alleging that this is in violation of SEC rules about how often the same proposal can be filed and seeking enforcement.

nielsbot 3y ago
I mean… fine. But at some point this is people (along with other people) trying to do nothing about climate change. May pessimistic take is: We all better pray “market forces” deal with this problem because that’s the only way carbon emissions will end.
- consumer451 3y ago
  Funny you should say that, as Exxon's CEO blames consumers for not acting. > Exxon CEO blames public for failure to fix climate change https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4494543-exxon-ceo-blames-public-for-failure-to-fix-climate-change/ https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4494543-exxon-...
  - onemoresoop 3y ago
    Reminds me of drug dealers blaming the users they hooked them up in the first place.
  - y-c-o-m-b 3y ago
    While he's more than likely morally and ethically bankrupt and manipulating the situation, he's technically not wrong with placing some blame on the public. I think last I saw, 40% of people still didn't believe climate change was impacting them. A good chunk don't believe in climate change at all. The average Joe/Jane is still buying gas-guzzling vehicles.
    - consumer451 3y ago
      Sure, if we were all not easily programmed meat machines, who don't live in a world where $ = speech = programming, then we would all be equally to blame. Meanwhile some people are gluing themselves to roads in desperate protest, and we make fun of them because they are inconvenient.
    - nielsbot 3y ago
      And a big part of people not believing in climate change is a persistent and pervasive disinformation campaign by oil companies and the wealthy.
      - neverrroot 3y ago
        I'm trying to learn more about what disinformation is, could you please post your thoughts under the following Ask HN post? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39554369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39554369
    - grumpyinfosec 3y ago
      It my very well be possible that its not currently impacting them in any meaningful way. Its one of those things that you can ignore until you can't. It still is a step in the right direction cuz at least people don't really flat out deny it's happening anymore, just debate how much we should care.
- pieresqi 3y ago
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nielsbot 3y ago

I mean… fine. But at some point this is people (along with other people) trying to do nothing about climate change. May pessimistic take is: We all better pray “market forces” deal with this problem because that’s the only way carbon emissions will end.

consumer451 3y ago
Funny you should say that, as Exxon's CEO blames consumers for not acting. > Exxon CEO blames public for failure to fix climate change https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4494543-exxon-ceo-blames-public-for-failure-to-fix-climate-change/ https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/4494543-exxon-...
- onemoresoop 3y ago
  Reminds me of drug dealers blaming the users they hooked them up in the first place.
- y-c-o-m-b 3y ago
  While he's more than likely morally and ethically bankrupt and manipulating the situation, he's technically not wrong with placing some blame on the public. I think last I saw, 40% of people still didn't believe climate change was impacting them. A good chunk don't believe in climate change at all. The average Joe/Jane is still buying gas-guzzling vehicles.
  - consumer451 3y ago
    Sure, if we were all not easily programmed meat machines, who don't live in a world where $ = speech = programming, then we would all be equally to blame. Meanwhile some people are gluing themselves to roads in desperate protest, and we make fun of them because they are inconvenient.
  - nielsbot 3y ago
    And a big part of people not believing in climate change is a persistent and pervasive disinformation campaign by oil companies and the wealthy.
    - neverrroot 3y ago
      I'm trying to learn more about what disinformation is, could you please post your thoughts under the following Ask HN post? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39554369 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39554369
  - grumpyinfosec 3y ago
    It my very well be possible that its not currently impacting them in any meaningful way. Its one of those things that you can ignore until you can't. It still is a step in the right direction cuz at least people don't really flat out deny it's happening anymore, just debate how much we should care.
pieresqi 3y ago
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