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We need to be radically cutting immigration now along with collapsing birth rates such that worker supply and worker demand reach equilibrium.

drcongo 3y ago
Aaaaand there it is.
- throwawa14223 3y ago
  Is your proposal that the USA needs to import more people we don't have work for so we can put them on UBI?
  - drcongo 3y ago
    I'm not proposing anything. It's just inevitable that when a right wing throwaway account posts about anything, it's just so they can steer around to their favourite topic of The Foreigns.
    - throwawa14223 3y ago
      At some point it has to come down to that. The USA is (mostly) not growing through birth so any proposal to gradually decrease the population has to include immigration. As AI advances I believe having a lower population will be a competitive advantage.
      - drcongo 3y ago
        Nothing ever "has to come down to" foreigners unless that's your preassigned agenda that you want to bring everything around to. Pretty much every study ever done has concluded that immigration is a net benefit to a country's GDP and emigration is a net loss. > The USA is (mostly) not growing through birth so any proposal to gradually decrease the population has to include immigration. You're going to need to explain how you've managed to bring The Foreigns into this, you've just glued together two unrelated statements. You say that the US population isn't growing through birthrates, and then talk about population decrease and immigration as though that's related. If the US population isn't growing through birthrates, and people continue to die (which is pretty much a given), then you've got your wish without ever needing your racism. Out of interest, which of the First Nations tribes were you born into?
        throwawa14223 3y ago
        > You're going to need to explain how you've managed to bring The Foreigns into this, you've just glued together two unrelated statements. You say that the US population isn't growing through birthrates, and then talk about population decrease and immigration as though that's related. As far as I can tell, population growth in the USA is from people moving here from other places. Not as a result of growth from people having children.[1] Assuming we live in a world where AI eats jobs, which as far as I can tell is what we are talking about, I would expect population growth, regardless of birth or flowing from another country to stop being beneficial. I agree with you that under current system it is a net benefit. >Out of interest, which of the First Nations tribes were you born into? How is that relevant? [1] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-census-projections-show-immigration-is-essential-to-the-growth-and-vitality-of-a-more-diverse-us-population/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-census-projections-sh...
        drcongo 3y ago
        > Assuming we live in a world where AI eats jobs, which as far as I can tell is what we are talking about No, this is a thread about billionaires lobbying against UBI. You brought AI into it so you could have a go about the foreigners. > How is that relevant? It's relevant because you're so anti-immigration that surely you must be native to the land you live on, otherwise you're just another racist pulling the ladder up behind you.
        throwawa14223 3y ago
        > You brought AI into it so you could have a go about the foreigners. I think you'll find I was answering danielbln about AI and a lack of jobs. > It's relevant because you're so anti-immigration that surely you must be native to the land you live on, otherwise you're just another racist pulling the ladder up behind you. Why are you wasting your time with me when you could be winning a James Randi Educational Foundation million dollar prize for showing off your mind reading? Since you're wrong about my internal state I have no use responding to you.
  - spiderfarmer 3y ago
    There are more than enough jobs. If your deepest fear is that people with different cultural backgrounds will replace people like you, you don't want have an actual debate about policy. You just want to remain in your safe space.
    - throwawa14223 3y ago
      You are leaving money on the table if you haven't used your mind reading skills to get the James Randi Educational Foundation million dollar prize. The question was how do we deal with the coming lack of jobs without UBI. The answer is we peacefully reduce our population. This pre-supposes a lack of jobs. If you want to change the conditions of the question and say there will be more than enough jobs then we don't need UBI.
  - dagw 3y ago
    The more likely scenario if the US implements UBI, is they'll probably need to import a lot more people on various work visas (and who won't get UBI) to do all the jobs people on UBI won't do any more.

drcongo 3y ago

Aaaaand there it is.

throwawa14223 3y ago
Is your proposal that the USA needs to import more people we don't have work for so we can put them on UBI?
- drcongo 3y ago
  I'm not proposing anything. It's just inevitable that when a right wing throwaway account posts about anything, it's just so they can steer around to their favourite topic of The Foreigns.
  - throwawa14223 3y ago
    At some point it has to come down to that. The USA is (mostly) not growing through birth so any proposal to gradually decrease the population has to include immigration. As AI advances I believe having a lower population will be a competitive advantage.
    - drcongo 3y ago
      Nothing ever "has to come down to" foreigners unless that's your preassigned agenda that you want to bring everything around to. Pretty much every study ever done has concluded that immigration is a net benefit to a country's GDP and emigration is a net loss. > The USA is (mostly) not growing through birth so any proposal to gradually decrease the population has to include immigration. You're going to need to explain how you've managed to bring The Foreigns into this, you've just glued together two unrelated statements. You say that the US population isn't growing through birthrates, and then talk about population decrease and immigration as though that's related. If the US population isn't growing through birthrates, and people continue to die (which is pretty much a given), then you've got your wish without ever needing your racism. Out of interest, which of the First Nations tribes were you born into?
      - throwawa14223 3y ago
        > You're going to need to explain how you've managed to bring The Foreigns into this, you've just glued together two unrelated statements. You say that the US population isn't growing through birthrates, and then talk about population decrease and immigration as though that's related. As far as I can tell, population growth in the USA is from people moving here from other places. Not as a result of growth from people having children.[1] Assuming we live in a world where AI eats jobs, which as far as I can tell is what we are talking about, I would expect population growth, regardless of birth or flowing from another country to stop being beneficial. I agree with you that under current system it is a net benefit. >Out of interest, which of the First Nations tribes were you born into? How is that relevant? [1] https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-census-projections-show-immigration-is-essential-to-the-growth-and-vitality-of-a-more-diverse-us-population/ https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-census-projections-sh...
        drcongo 3y ago
        > Assuming we live in a world where AI eats jobs, which as far as I can tell is what we are talking about No, this is a thread about billionaires lobbying against UBI. You brought AI into it so you could have a go about the foreigners. > How is that relevant? It's relevant because you're so anti-immigration that surely you must be native to the land you live on, otherwise you're just another racist pulling the ladder up behind you.
        throwawa14223 3y ago
        > You brought AI into it so you could have a go about the foreigners. I think you'll find I was answering danielbln about AI and a lack of jobs. > It's relevant because you're so anti-immigration that surely you must be native to the land you live on, otherwise you're just another racist pulling the ladder up behind you. Why are you wasting your time with me when you could be winning a James Randi Educational Foundation million dollar prize for showing off your mind reading? Since you're wrong about my internal state I have no use responding to you.
- spiderfarmer 3y ago
  There are more than enough jobs. If your deepest fear is that people with different cultural backgrounds will replace people like you, you don't want have an actual debate about policy. You just want to remain in your safe space.
  - throwawa14223 3y ago
    You are leaving money on the table if you haven't used your mind reading skills to get the James Randi Educational Foundation million dollar prize. The question was how do we deal with the coming lack of jobs without UBI. The answer is we peacefully reduce our population. This pre-supposes a lack of jobs. If you want to change the conditions of the question and say there will be more than enough jobs then we don't need UBI.
- dagw 3y ago
  The more likely scenario if the US implements UBI, is they'll probably need to import a lot more people on various work visas (and who won't get UBI) to do all the jobs people on UBI won't do any more.