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I would argue UBI is in the latter category.
by throwawa14223 3y ago
I would argue UBI is in the latter category.
- spiderfarmer 3y agoSo, let's hear some arguments instead of ad hominems.
- throwawa14223 3y agoDo you consider "utopian" an ad hominem, but not "danger to democracy?"
- spiderfarmer 3y agoIt depends. Let's test this. Presume 80% of the country wants to increase taxes for the rich and corporations, tax churches, have Universal Healthcare and a Universal Basic Income, reform your educational system, legalise abortion, make sexual education mandatory, legalise dreamers, have easier immigration and they all vote for a party who has detailed plans on how to finance and realise those ideals. How do you react?
- throwawa14223 3y agoThat's a big hypothetical, but first I'd be pretty devastated because I've been told my whole life we have checks and balances to protect the minority from the raw will of the majority, but I would probably try to sue for violation of my rights as laid out in the constitution. Barring that I would try to leave for another country.
- spiderfarmer 3y agoThat doesn't violate any of your rights. The fact that you really think so is already undemocratic. Hence my remarks.
- throwawa14223 3y agoMandatory sexual education violates my freedom of religion, as my believes around sex are a deeply held religious conviction. Edit: The rest I would just try to leave. I think they're the wrong direction for any country and I wouldn't want to be part of a country that voted that way, but you can't fight with that kind of majority.
- spiderfarmer 3y agoIf I say the policies that are being implemented by your side violates my right to freedom from religion, how do you react?
- throwawa14223 3y agoI'm very sympathetic to that I think we need far more ways for people to opt out based on freedom of religion/conscience to be able to maximize personal liberty. I don't like being forced by the government but I don't like others being forced either.
- spiderfarmer 3y agoSo does abortion fall under my personal liberty? Is reading a book with some sexual content permitted for a child?
- throwawa14223 3y agoI'd say yes, and yes for your child if that is what you want. I think you know better for you than I do. So as long as me and my family don't have to participate.
- spiderfarmer 3y agoJust so you know. A growing part of Americans feel that there are a lot of laws in place that force them to participate in something a shrinking part of America wants. You know all the talking points. Try to think from their point of view. Hopefully in a couple hundred years humanity has evolved to a point where we don't need religion to form clubs.