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I respect your experience with yourvdaughter. I absolutely did not mean to two-dimensionalise anyone with downs and apologize if I gave such impression. Howev

by Daub 3y ago

I respect your experience with yourvdaughter. I absolutely did not mean to two-dimensionalise anyone with downs and apologize if I gave such impression. However, i speak from experaince having lived with many down syndrome kids for many years. Though they were all manifestly and clearly individuals, there was also a commonality between them. Check out the academic studies in the link I shared which supports this impression. THe link between selfhood (if I may term it such) and the body is something that has been discussed for centuries, with most of that discussion being mumbo jumbo (eg the four temprements). But there does seem to be some mechanism at work. I know that Crohn's disease and Celiac disease are both associated with certain personalitytypes. That's not to say that there condition defines who they are, rather it informs it.

asveikau 3y ago
> I know that Crohn's disease and Celiac disease are both associated with certain personalitytypes. Off topic, but I hadn't heard much of this. Do you have sources? I googled. Here's one interesting thing I found: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4814534/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4814534/ I found claims of correlation with stress and anxiety (seems kind of obvious), and type D personalities (a categorization I've never heard of before, but seemingly includes negativity, hostility, suppressed anger). It seems hard to me to ascertain whether these are a cause of illness, a reaction to illness, maybe even a vicious-cycle type of reaction that serves to make the illness worse ... Or just correlation. One factor among many. A rut that people fall in. Maybe all of this.
- Daub 3y ago
  > Off topic, but I hadn't heard much of this. Do you have sources? I have no other sources apart from anecdotes from a childhood friend with Celiac. He claimed that it was common knowledge in the Celiac community. I did the same search that you likely did and there seems to be some supporting evidence for such association. > Or just correlation. One factor among many. A rut that people fall in. Maybe all of this. I think this likely accounts for much condition-associated personality behavior, but not all. A few years ago I was diagnosed with Ehlers Danlos. Shortly after I stumbled across this: https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/2017-eds-classification-non-experts/psychiatric-psychological-aspects-ehlers-danlos-syndromes/ https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/2017-eds-classification-non-ex... Of course, the pain of Ehlers will inevitable impact upon personality, that is obvious (fortunately my pain is manageable). But also mentioned is this: > The underlying mechanisms include genetic risks, problems with the automatic control of body functions, sensitivity to external and internal stimuli, and decreased sense of position. Recent studies have also shown an increase response in emotion processing brain areas which could explain the high emotional reactivity. 'Decreased sense of position' seems so odd and specific and something I clearly recognize in myself.
LoganDark 3y ago
> THe link between selfhood (if I may term it such) and the body is something that has been discussed for centuries I know plenty of people who don't identify with their body at all.
- Daub 3y ago
  I don't think it is a issue of 'identifying with their body' rather than a situation where the body and the self inform each other. The ancient temperamental model assumed that the human body is a mix of Choleric (fire), Sanguine (blood), Phlegmatic (phlegm), and Melancholy. These categories were also assumed to be temperamental architypes whereby (for example) an excess of blood leads to an angry (Choleric) personality. Of course this is bollocks, but nonetheless demonstrates my point. The idea that 'who we are' is something that is defined only by our brain is wrong. Brain/body traffic seems to be two-way: physical trauma to the body can impact the brain, the nervous system of the digestive tract can impact our moods, lack of vitamin D can negatively impact our emotional outlook, male infant circumcision can alter adult socio-affective processing etc etc.
  - LoganDark 3y ago
    Ah, so you're talking about how the CNS is sort of part of the brain. That's valid, I think.

by Daub 3y ago

asveikau 3y ago

> I know that Crohn's disease and Celiac disease are both associated with certain personalitytypes. Off topic, but I hadn't heard much of this. Do you have sources? I googled. Here's one interesting thing I found: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4814534/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4814534/ I found claims of correlation with stress and anxiety (seems kind of obvious), and type D personalities (a categorization I've never heard of before, but seemingly includes negativity, hostility, suppressed anger). It seems hard to me to ascertain whether these are a cause of illness, a reaction to illness, maybe even a vicious-cycle type of reaction that serves to make the illness worse ... Or just correlation. One factor among many. A rut that people fall in. Maybe all of this.

Daub 3y ago
> Off topic, but I hadn't heard much of this. Do you have sources? I have no other sources apart from anecdotes from a childhood friend with Celiac. He claimed that it was common knowledge in the Celiac community. I did the same search that you likely did and there seems to be some supporting evidence for such association. > Or just correlation. One factor among many. A rut that people fall in. Maybe all of this. I think this likely accounts for much condition-associated personality behavior, but not all. A few years ago I was diagnosed with Ehlers Danlos. Shortly after I stumbled across this: https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/2017-eds-classification-non-experts/psychiatric-psychological-aspects-ehlers-danlos-syndromes/ https://www.ehlers-danlos.com/2017-eds-classification-non-ex... Of course, the pain of Ehlers will inevitable impact upon personality, that is obvious (fortunately my pain is manageable). But also mentioned is this: > The underlying mechanisms include genetic risks, problems with the automatic control of body functions, sensitivity to external and internal stimuli, and decreased sense of position. Recent studies have also shown an increase response in emotion processing brain areas which could explain the high emotional reactivity. 'Decreased sense of position' seems so odd and specific and something I clearly recognize in myself.

LoganDark 3y ago

> THe link between selfhood (if I may term it such) and the body is something that has been discussed for centuries I know plenty of people who don't identify with their body at all.

Daub 3y ago
I don't think it is a issue of 'identifying with their body' rather than a situation where the body and the self inform each other. The ancient temperamental model assumed that the human body is a mix of Choleric (fire), Sanguine (blood), Phlegmatic (phlegm), and Melancholy. These categories were also assumed to be temperamental architypes whereby (for example) an excess of blood leads to an angry (Choleric) personality. Of course this is bollocks, but nonetheless demonstrates my point. The idea that 'who we are' is something that is defined only by our brain is wrong. Brain/body traffic seems to be two-way: physical trauma to the body can impact the brain, the nervous system of the digestive tract can impact our moods, lack of vitamin D can negatively impact our emotional outlook, male infant circumcision can alter adult socio-affective processing etc etc.
- LoganDark 3y ago
  Ah, so you're talking about how the CNS is sort of part of the brain. That's valid, I think.