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Credible != compelling. AI generated stuff is garbage, it's so far away from generating something exciting, it's as far as it was 10 years ago, the only differe

Credible != compelling. AI generated stuff is garbage, it's so far away from generating something exciting, it's as far as it was 10 years ago, the only difference is that now it is able to generate garbage (instead of doing nothing). Even a kid can have better ideas than an AI fed with billions $ of nVidia hardware and data coming from unpaid labor.

ametrau 3y ago
I don’t know. There are a lot of popular games that are basically made to a formula. That said, I don’t see this being possible any time soon for non programmers (with the aid of ai). Consider the amount of debugging needed. If the computer can actually program coherently, without bugs, and understanding the program as a whole and how the pieces fit together, then it can program itself.
- bilbo0s 3y ago
  I don’t see this being possible any time soon for non programmers I don't see this being possible at all for non programmers. If AI companies have models that can generate games in 5 years, there's no way they will let other people use them. The companies with game generating models will simply become the developer and publisher. If they can generate games, especially those deliberately addictive casual games, then they have a money printing machine. They'll just hire psychologists, economists, and testers to see which games are the most addictive and extractive- er- umm- I mean, which games are the most fun and compelling. Then they'll release those games. Further flood the games market with tripe, and probably get pretty rich doing it.
mym1990 3y ago
I think all of this AI generated content still has a ways to go until it can be stand alone content, but when it is being used as a supplement to human creation, it can be fairly useful to either generate a starting point, or to fill in the blanks. BUT...I am seeing a lot of AI generated content pop up in graphic design(emails, work decks, etc...) and some of it is terrifyingly bad.
seanhunter 3y ago
It's really hard to imagine that an AI-generated storyline would be worse than say most Bethesda questlines of the last 10 years or so. Or say Ubisoft circa AC:Valhalla. There are so many storylines and quest objectives in games these days that are more or less: Go here and get a pencil. <watch a cutscene> Ok great. Now I need 3 more pencils. <watch another cutscene> OK now go here and follow an NPC for ages while they walk really slowly. <watch another cutscene> OK now shoot the guy <watch a cutscene> OK we're done, have a cookie. Any time you want to, come back here and I'll send you to go fetch more pencils.
- bilbo0s 3y ago
  To be fair, I only had the blue pencil after the first quest. I had to go back. Not for the cookies really, but rather because I needed the yellow, purple and especially the red pencil. Only then would I be the level 10 mage capable of retrieving the black pencil. You act like they were making a fool out of me or something. /s
  - ben_w 3y ago
    There was a parody video a while back, can't find it now, about RPGs from the NPC's perspective. PC steals all their stuff and also their grandmother, ends up receiving the sword of grandmothers.
ben_w 3y ago
> Even a kid I hear such comparisons quite often on discussions like this, and I always wonder… have you seen a kid's idea of "creative"? Even one about to finish school? One time my geography homework was a cut-out of a photocopy of an encyclopaedia image of Italy, surrounded by notes copied verbatim from that same page, and it got top marks. My GCSE English "creative writing" exercise was a mixture of the empty village in Riven, Pratchett's Granny Weatherwax, and the "oborot" shape-shifting spell from Sabine Baring-Gould’s Book of Were-Wolves. When we were tasked with coming up with our own versions of the witches' brew from Macbeth — why is Shakespeare sill so popular? Don't we have any new ideas? — all the students came up with much the same "new ingredients" as each other. And then there's the music… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I

ametrau 3y ago

I don’t know. There are a lot of popular games that are basically made to a formula. That said, I don’t see this being possible any time soon for non programmers (with the aid of ai). Consider the amount of debugging needed. If the computer can actually program coherently, without bugs, and understanding the program as a whole and how the pieces fit together, then it can program itself.

bilbo0s 3y ago
I don’t see this being possible any time soon for non programmers I don't see this being possible at all for non programmers. If AI companies have models that can generate games in 5 years, there's no way they will let other people use them. The companies with game generating models will simply become the developer and publisher. If they can generate games, especially those deliberately addictive casual games, then they have a money printing machine. They'll just hire psychologists, economists, and testers to see which games are the most addictive and extractive- er- umm- I mean, which games are the most fun and compelling. Then they'll release those games. Further flood the games market with tripe, and probably get pretty rich doing it.

mym1990 3y ago

I think all of this AI generated content still has a ways to go until it can be stand alone content, but when it is being used as a supplement to human creation, it can be fairly useful to either generate a starting point, or to fill in the blanks. BUT...I am seeing a lot of AI generated content pop up in graphic design(emails, work decks, etc...) and some of it is terrifyingly bad.

seanhunter 3y ago

It's really hard to imagine that an AI-generated storyline would be worse than say most Bethesda questlines of the last 10 years or so. Or say Ubisoft circa AC:Valhalla. There are so many storylines and quest objectives in games these days that are more or less: Go here and get a pencil. <watch a cutscene> Ok great. Now I need 3 more pencils. <watch another cutscene> OK now go here and follow an NPC for ages while they walk really slowly. <watch another cutscene> OK now shoot the guy <watch a cutscene> OK we're done, have a cookie. Any time you want to, come back here and I'll send you to go fetch more pencils.

bilbo0s 3y ago
To be fair, I only had the blue pencil after the first quest. I had to go back. Not for the cookies really, but rather because I needed the yellow, purple and especially the red pencil. Only then would I be the level 10 mage capable of retrieving the black pencil. You act like they were making a fool out of me or something. /s
- ben_w 3y ago
  There was a parody video a while back, can't find it now, about RPGs from the NPC's perspective. PC steals all their stuff and also their grandmother, ends up receiving the sword of grandmothers.

ben_w 3y ago

> Even a kid I hear such comparisons quite often on discussions like this, and I always wonder… have you seen a kid's idea of "creative"? Even one about to finish school? One time my geography homework was a cut-out of a photocopy of an encyclopaedia image of Italy, surrounded by notes copied verbatim from that same page, and it got top marks. My GCSE English "creative writing" exercise was a mixture of the empty village in Riven, Pratchett's Granny Weatherwax, and the "oborot" shape-shifting spell from Sabine Baring-Gould’s Book of Were-Wolves. When we were tasked with coming up with our own versions of the witches' brew from Macbeth — why is Shakespeare sill so popular? Don't we have any new ideas? — all the students came up with much the same "new ingredients" as each other. And then there's the music… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I