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When the US is the only one holding up their hand at the UN against an immediate ceasefire the last 3 times it came up, it is quit difficult to make this claim.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> When the US is the only one holding up their hand at the UN against an immediate ceasefire the last 3 times it came up The only one on the SC. Lots of countries have violated UN resolutions, including practically every member of the SC. This is far from evidence of being the sole reason for anything.
- enterprise_cog 3y ago
  What does that have to do with the US vetoing a ceasefire? It is direct evidence the government is complicit in the genocide.
AnimalMuppet 3y ago
In addition to what JumpCrisscross said, you seem to assume that, if the UN passed a resolution for an immediate ceasefire, that fire would actually cease. I see absolutely no reason for that assumption.
- sschueller 3y ago
  If the resolution has no effect why would the US risk being seen as a genocide supporting nation by vetoing every resolution? The US is also risking loosing the veto as many are now considering changing how the SC works. The SCs job is to secure global security and peace. The US is doing the absolute opposite.
- enterprise_cog 3y ago
  Then when Israel continues their genocide you strip them of the munitions we supplied. If they continue then a global force can move into Israel and enforce a no fly zone and prevent further bombings. If we don’t even take the first step of trying to stop it we are complicit and the primary reason it is ongoing.
- khokhol 3y ago
  A UN resolution by itself, perhaps not. But you're getting off track here. We were discussing the total package of US support for Israel as a driving factor in the current, grotesque horror we are all witnessing. And it is the main driving factor. If that support were to vanish, Israel's expansionist adventures in Gaza and the West Bank would grind to a halt in very short order indeed.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> When the US is the only one holding up their hand at the UN against an immediate ceasefire the last 3 times it came up The only one on the SC. Lots of countries have violated UN resolutions, including practically every member of the SC. This is far from evidence of being the sole reason for anything.

enterprise_cog 3y ago
What does that have to do with the US vetoing a ceasefire? It is direct evidence the government is complicit in the genocide.

AnimalMuppet 3y ago

In addition to what JumpCrisscross said, you seem to assume that, if the UN passed a resolution for an immediate ceasefire, that fire would actually cease. I see absolutely no reason for that assumption.

sschueller 3y ago
If the resolution has no effect why would the US risk being seen as a genocide supporting nation by vetoing every resolution? The US is also risking loosing the veto as many are now considering changing how the SC works. The SCs job is to secure global security and peace. The US is doing the absolute opposite.
enterprise_cog 3y ago
Then when Israel continues their genocide you strip them of the munitions we supplied. If they continue then a global force can move into Israel and enforce a no fly zone and prevent further bombings. If we don’t even take the first step of trying to stop it we are complicit and the primary reason it is ongoing.
khokhol 3y ago
A UN resolution by itself, perhaps not. But you're getting off track here. We were discussing the total package of US support for Israel as a driving factor in the current, grotesque horror we are all witnessing. And it is the main driving factor. If that support were to vanish, Israel's expansionist adventures in Gaza and the West Bank would grind to a halt in very short order indeed.