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Yet it's horrible to use and really wasteful. Huge window handles that make no sense on a desktop without touch, unnecessary extra clicks by hiding things in ha

Yet it's horrible to use and really wasteful. Huge window handles that make no sense on a desktop without touch, unnecessary extra clicks by hiding things in hamburger menus. Again something handy on a mobile, not a desktop. Almost no customisation. It might satisfy hipster designers but not users.

kroltan 3y ago
Yep, I much prefer KDE's default binding of meta+LMB/RMB anywhere on a window to move and resize it, rather than ginormous title bars. Might not be "professional" but it sure is more productive.
- PcChip 3y ago
  I change it to alt, and then also install Alt Drag on windows devices, so I can do that everywhere!
- PKop 3y ago
  And you can easily make KDE title bars even smaller by changing the title text size, and use global menu and hide title bar in maximized windows. Massively better use of screen real estate than GNOME. Imo much more "professional" and productive vs GNOME's cartoonish touch screen UI.
  - kroltan 3y ago
    Heh, I made my own window borders (yay for customizability!), which are slightly chonky but still half of GNOME's. https://i.imgur.com/XcZvanv.png https://i.imgur.com/XcZvanv.png (Burnt yellow is my current system accent color, the borders adapt to the setting)
    - PKop 3y ago
      Nice.. definitely a bit chonky but distinctive. I like the yellow. Hadn't thought of doing that but I probably would prefer something besides the default blue.
c0l0 3y ago
I recently bought a low-end ASUS Tablet PC with a rather nice 13" OLED screen (Vivobook Slate 13 T3300), and exorcised Windows 11 S from inside it the moment I got it. I then installed the latest Fedora on it, and chose the GNOME spin, because of the supposed touch UI readiness. I must say, I am not impressed by the UX of the whole setup... which is a shame, since they iirc slaughtered the perfectly good GNOME 2.x UI to cater to those devices specifically around a decade ago - and for what? If this is all that's there to reap, it's been a bad trade-off. Looking forward to trying Plasma Mobile; maybe it can improve on the status quo.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  > which is a shame, since they iirc slaughtered the perfectly good GNOME 2.x UI to cater to those devices speifically around a decade ago - and for what? If this is all that's there to reap, it's been a bad trade-off. It was the fad of that time, when Microsoft also introduced Windows 8 and the "Modern UI" Metro. But at least they came to their senses, also because no devs bothered to adopt it :) and they still didn't manage to sell any Windows tablets.
  - fullstop 3y ago
    > they still didn't manage to sell any Windows tablets. That was such a branding problem for Microsoft. Microsoft supplied so many Surface tablets to the NFL and the commentators kept calling them iPads.
  - ambichook 3y ago
    they did to schools, i was cursed with an 8.1 acer windows tablet until they finally allowed a BYO program
- smolder 3y ago
  > they iirc slaughtered the perfectly good GNOME 2.x UI to cater to those devices specifically around a decade ago - and for what? There was a recent article on here that explained GNOME 2.x was windows-like enough that there was fear Microsoft would come after Linux distributions with patent lawsuits, hence the departure from that style of UI in the next version. KDE on the other hand was made with a patent sharing agreement in place.
kaba0 3y ago
That’s like, your opinion. I do think that on a laptop, GNOME is probably the best environment to use, out of any OS.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  True, it is my opinion alone. And I don't use laptops, only desktops. Good point also as I have much more screen real estate available. For example I use a 3x3 grid of 9 virtual desktops (with the numpad as a quick-switching pad), something that on Gnome isn't possible without a whole bunch of addons that break with every update :) Because it doesn't allow for virtual desktops in a grid matrix by default and I don't think it's got direct access hotkeys to them either. I really love that I can just configure all that in KDE without having any kind of addon or modification (and many other things I change too). I'm just not one of those "just use it like it's intended" people. I have my own ideas on how my computer should work. But yes not everyone is me.
maxloh 3y ago
> Yet it's horrible to use and really wasteful. Not really. According to Fitts's Law, it would be easier to point your mouse cursor to a larger target. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fitts_Law.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fitts_Law.svg
- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  When someone says a design is harder to use, you don't get to say "no it isn't because Fitts' Law". If it's harder for someone to use, those are the facts on the ground. You need to adjust your theories to fit the facts, not try to say the facts aren't true so they fit your theories.
  - Klonoar 3y ago
    They can totally say that, there are plenty of people who have experience that would agree with it. It’s not “facts on the ground” when you’re literally courting diverse opinions. That law just covers the average. ;P
- eviks 3y ago
  The larger target here is the window, so according to this law you should move a window by grabbing the window itself (with either holding alt triggering a widow move mode or something else) rather than wasting space with a bigger, but still much smaller handle
ColonelBlimp 3y ago
I’m a happy Gnome user.

kroltan 3y ago

Yep, I much prefer KDE's default binding of meta+LMB/RMB anywhere on a window to move and resize it, rather than ginormous title bars. Might not be "professional" but it sure is more productive.

PcChip 3y ago
I change it to alt, and then also install Alt Drag on windows devices, so I can do that everywhere!
PKop 3y ago
And you can easily make KDE title bars even smaller by changing the title text size, and use global menu and hide title bar in maximized windows. Massively better use of screen real estate than GNOME. Imo much more "professional" and productive vs GNOME's cartoonish touch screen UI.
- kroltan 3y ago
  Heh, I made my own window borders (yay for customizability!), which are slightly chonky but still half of GNOME's. https://i.imgur.com/XcZvanv.png https://i.imgur.com/XcZvanv.png (Burnt yellow is my current system accent color, the borders adapt to the setting)
  - PKop 3y ago
    Nice.. definitely a bit chonky but distinctive. I like the yellow. Hadn't thought of doing that but I probably would prefer something besides the default blue.

c0l0 3y ago

I recently bought a low-end ASUS Tablet PC with a rather nice 13" OLED screen (Vivobook Slate 13 T3300), and exorcised Windows 11 S from inside it the moment I got it. I then installed the latest Fedora on it, and chose the GNOME spin, because of the supposed touch UI readiness. I must say, I am not impressed by the UX of the whole setup... which is a shame, since they iirc slaughtered the perfectly good GNOME 2.x UI to cater to those devices specifically around a decade ago - and for what? If this is all that's there to reap, it's been a bad trade-off. Looking forward to trying Plasma Mobile; maybe it can improve on the status quo.

wkat4242 3y ago
> which is a shame, since they iirc slaughtered the perfectly good GNOME 2.x UI to cater to those devices speifically around a decade ago - and for what? If this is all that's there to reap, it's been a bad trade-off. It was the fad of that time, when Microsoft also introduced Windows 8 and the "Modern UI" Metro. But at least they came to their senses, also because no devs bothered to adopt it :) and they still didn't manage to sell any Windows tablets.
- fullstop 3y ago
  > they still didn't manage to sell any Windows tablets. That was such a branding problem for Microsoft. Microsoft supplied so many Surface tablets to the NFL and the commentators kept calling them iPads.
- ambichook 3y ago
  they did to schools, i was cursed with an 8.1 acer windows tablet until they finally allowed a BYO program
smolder 3y ago
> they iirc slaughtered the perfectly good GNOME 2.x UI to cater to those devices specifically around a decade ago - and for what? There was a recent article on here that explained GNOME 2.x was windows-like enough that there was fear Microsoft would come after Linux distributions with patent lawsuits, hence the departure from that style of UI in the next version. KDE on the other hand was made with a patent sharing agreement in place.

kaba0 3y ago

That’s like, your opinion. I do think that on a laptop, GNOME is probably the best environment to use, out of any OS.

wkat4242 3y ago
True, it is my opinion alone. And I don't use laptops, only desktops. Good point also as I have much more screen real estate available. For example I use a 3x3 grid of 9 virtual desktops (with the numpad as a quick-switching pad), something that on Gnome isn't possible without a whole bunch of addons that break with every update :) Because it doesn't allow for virtual desktops in a grid matrix by default and I don't think it's got direct access hotkeys to them either. I really love that I can just configure all that in KDE without having any kind of addon or modification (and many other things I change too). I'm just not one of those "just use it like it's intended" people. I have my own ideas on how my computer should work. But yes not everyone is me.

maxloh 3y ago

> Yet it's horrible to use and really wasteful. Not really. According to Fitts's Law, it would be easier to point your mouse cursor to a larger target. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fitts_Law.svg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fitts_Law.svg

bigstrat2003 3y ago
When someone says a design is harder to use, you don't get to say "no it isn't because Fitts' Law". If it's harder for someone to use, those are the facts on the ground. You need to adjust your theories to fit the facts, not try to say the facts aren't true so they fit your theories.
- Klonoar 3y ago
  They can totally say that, there are plenty of people who have experience that would agree with it. It’s not “facts on the ground” when you’re literally courting diverse opinions. That law just covers the average. ;P
eviks 3y ago
The larger target here is the window, so according to this law you should move a window by grabbing the window itself (with either holding alt triggering a widow move mode or something else) rather than wasting space with a bigger, but still much smaller handle

ColonelBlimp 3y ago

I’m a happy Gnome user.