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Users who prefer the old behavior can toggle it back on in the "Mouse Actions" settings under "Desktop Folder Settings", so it's not going away entirely. This

Users who prefer the old behavior can toggle it back on in the "Mouse Actions" settings under "Desktop Folder Settings", so it's not going away entirely. This is really important to me, the fact that it's configurable. The trend in other desktop environments has been to just take away features to lead everybody down "the golden path", but everybody has different preferences. I prefer a set of sensible defaults and a maze of settings to adjust every little thing, than just a blanket "here's how it works, deal with it".

mirpa 3y ago
If you have specific workflow where the golden path is suboptimal, sure. But I would not think that average user has any preferences and for many users Gnome is very reasonable.
- 0thgen 3y ago
  Id second this. I used to lose a lot of productivity via desktop tweaking, and have now converted to sticking with gnome defaults (as people have said, gnome really does "stay out of your way"). hypercustomization is cool, and I like that KDE gives hobbyist something to experiment with. I think in the long term though, KDE and gnome need to solidify. Something gnome-like for the base user, and then a layer of customization on top of it for the KDE hobbyists (with successful experiments integrated into the gnome-layer). I'm all for diversity of desktop environments, but there needs to be a common core (especially since linux is driven by open source development)
godshatter 3y ago
I'm a bit worried that it's now off by default, because this is one behavior I really like about KDE. Just leave the background visible somewhere and you can switch virtual desktops with ease. I know you can just click on the graphical virtual desktop display in the toolbar, but once I became used to it then it became muscle memory and now it's harder to do without it. The reason not making it a default worries me is that sometimes that makes it a nice candidate for "something we can remove that will only affect a minority of users". And it will be a minority of users, because most users won't even know it's an option.
- jzb 3y ago
  (Author here): Users new to KDE don't know what's up with the feature. They miss a window and suddenly they're on a different virtual desktop. If they connect the behavior they may feel like "ooh, I've discovered a new trick" -- or they may feel like the desktop is unpredictable. It would be a good candidate for one of those first-use "did you know you can" type things.
  - godshatter 3y ago
    I guess I should have stated that I agree that it can be confusing and that it might actually be better to have it turned off by default. I'm just expressing my worry that it will go away entirely soon if no one remembers it. I think I've been traumatized by firefox dropping things randomly, lol.
    - jzb 3y ago
      Totally fair. I think it has enough fans that it's safe. (I hope!)
  - sphars 3y ago
    Thank you, this was exactly my experience when I installed Nobara 39 last month. Took me a good minute to find where turn it off, but I'm glad it's configurable. I agree the default should be off.
  - switchbak 3y ago
    I'm in the camp of folks that think it confuses more than it helps. I'm glad there's still the option for those that are used to it, but too much of this kind of thing drives new users a little nuts. It'd be interesting to provide an on-ramp for folks to progressively explore such things, but doing that accidentally is probably not it.

mirpa 3y ago

If you have specific workflow where the golden path is suboptimal, sure. But I would not think that average user has any preferences and for many users Gnome is very reasonable.

0thgen 3y ago
Id second this. I used to lose a lot of productivity via desktop tweaking, and have now converted to sticking with gnome defaults (as people have said, gnome really does "stay out of your way"). hypercustomization is cool, and I like that KDE gives hobbyist something to experiment with. I think in the long term though, KDE and gnome need to solidify. Something gnome-like for the base user, and then a layer of customization on top of it for the KDE hobbyists (with successful experiments integrated into the gnome-layer). I'm all for diversity of desktop environments, but there needs to be a common core (especially since linux is driven by open source development)

godshatter 3y ago

I'm a bit worried that it's now off by default, because this is one behavior I really like about KDE. Just leave the background visible somewhere and you can switch virtual desktops with ease. I know you can just click on the graphical virtual desktop display in the toolbar, but once I became used to it then it became muscle memory and now it's harder to do without it. The reason not making it a default worries me is that sometimes that makes it a nice candidate for "something we can remove that will only affect a minority of users". And it will be a minority of users, because most users won't even know it's an option.

jzb 3y ago
(Author here): Users new to KDE don't know what's up with the feature. They miss a window and suddenly they're on a different virtual desktop. If they connect the behavior they may feel like "ooh, I've discovered a new trick" -- or they may feel like the desktop is unpredictable. It would be a good candidate for one of those first-use "did you know you can" type things.
- godshatter 3y ago
  I guess I should have stated that I agree that it can be confusing and that it might actually be better to have it turned off by default. I'm just expressing my worry that it will go away entirely soon if no one remembers it. I think I've been traumatized by firefox dropping things randomly, lol.
  - jzb 3y ago
    Totally fair. I think it has enough fans that it's safe. (I hope!)
- sphars 3y ago
  Thank you, this was exactly my experience when I installed Nobara 39 last month. Took me a good minute to find where turn it off, but I'm glad it's configurable. I agree the default should be off.
- switchbak 3y ago
  I'm in the camp of folks that think it confuses more than it helps. I'm glad there's still the option for those that are used to it, but too much of this kind of thing drives new users a little nuts. It'd be interesting to provide an on-ramp for folks to progressively explore such things, but doing that accidentally is probably not it.