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KDE should probably invest in better defaults if these need tweaking. People don't usually dig in the settings menu unless something is bothering them. If ther
by thriftwy 3y ago
KDE should probably invest in better defaults if these need tweaking.
People don't usually dig in the settings menu unless something is bothering them. If there are great opt-in features they're going to stay off.
- Phlogi 3y agojust what they did with V6.
- wkat4242 3y agoMost people I know that use KDE use it because it's so customisable. It's not the same crowd as Gnome. I don't think this is an impediment at all.
- thriftwy 3y agoI'm using KDE for 20 years already because it has great miscellaneous apps (though it's less important in 2024), slick integration between components and nice all-encompassing settings app. I do tweak a few things when I boot up a fresh install, but generally, I don't feel the need to do a deep customization, and am not aware of any missed opportunities.
- binkHN 3y ago> I'm using KDE ... because it has great miscellaneous apps... KWrite and Dolphin are insane!
- refset 3y agoAgreed - the main reason I switched to KDE from Gnome was so I could have a vertical taskbar.
- tsimionescu 3y agoHeh, in the meantime modern Gnome doesn't have a Taskbar at all, because it "is not ok to distract users with a list of other things they could be doing when they have already selected one task to look at"...
- Vt71fcAqt7 3y agoIs that a quote? I couldn't find the source if so. Hard to tell if it's a joke based on other GNOME statements.
- NekkoDroid 3y agoI don't know either if it's a joke. The way I always thought of it is that the taskbar generally just can at best have a limited set of applications listed and takes up precious vertical monitor space, so its mostly limited to the overview/activities since that is the "I want to change apps" mode of the desktop and is just 1 click away (either super or top-left on the desktop). Then again I am one of the (probably) few people that would probably even do away with the top bar currently still in GNOME and not have anything other than the app visible by default. I use to be annoyed at the behavior as well when I started using GNOME, but at some point I actually started preferring it and now barely use the taskbar on Windows.
- tsimionescu 3y agoI remembered it as a version of what some Gnome designer claimed, but I tried searching for some statement on the topic and I couldn't find any explicitly mentioning it.
- omegabravo 3y agoit suits my workflow since all windows are full screen on all the monitors. I either use alt+tab or super key to get the exploded view. it won't suit all workflows of course
- ako 3y agoThat not only depends on preference, but also on hardware. When only using laptop display, most of my windows are full screen. However, when using a 32 inch 4K display, I prefer my windows smaller, often having multiple windows side by side, sometimes tiled.
- Zambyte 3y agoThere are merits to the GNOME design philosophy. My Sway workflow and customizations are actually inspired quite a bit by GNOME. I don't use any taskbar or system tray. I don't even have a clock; I open a terminal and check the date command if I want to know the time. I make heavy use of workspaces rather than "minimizing" (Sway calls this the scratchpad or something like that, which I only use if I want to "background" graphical applications). I have absolutely no flashy styling or animations; I simply use nord where I can. It's not for everyone. It would be next to impossible for someone to sit at my computer and be productive, because I have accumulated my configuration over years, with no real thought into making things that I configured discoverable (I know it's there because I put it there). But it works really well for me. I find the ability setup a workspace how I want for one task, and then switching workspaces to context switch to be very nice.
- DrewADesign 3y agoMost useful software that badly needs usability improvements has a group of people that just got used to it, and they will complain bitterly about any attempt to correct UI mistakes. If it’s customizable, they can configure it back after making improvements so it’s useful to everybody else, too. I hate the way gnome is set up, and welcome any updates to KDE with open arms.
- account42 3y ago> If it’s customizable, they can configure it back after making improvements so it’s useful to everybody else, too. That is still creating needless work for existing users. Change the default for new users if you must but the update for existing users should be transparent unless they explicitly op into changes.
- izacus 3y agoThat sounds like survivorship bias though? Everyone else already left it and jumped ship to GNOME (including pretty much all of the distros). Are the current users the full target market or just leftovers?
- jraph 3y agoI don't think I like KDE more because of its customizability but that's certainly welcome (as long as the default are good, which they also are)
- ashes-of-sol 3y ago[dead]
- graemep 3y agoMost distros will change the defaults anyway., and, as others have said, a lot of KDE users use it for its customisability.
- sho_hn 3y ago> KDE should probably invest in better defaults if these need tweaking. We've done that a lot the last couple of years! We've changed many defaults to values that reflect better what the users actually use, based on reviewing what distros do, studies, and opt-in telemetry. A lot of this already happened in the back half of the 5.x era, but 6.0 includes additional changes in this regard. And you're not wrong, it does help a lot.
- moffkalast 3y agoGreat, but konsole tabs on the bottom by default? Why?
- JohnFen 3y agoI only very rarely use konsole tabs at all (I prefer multiple windows), but when I do, I appreciate that they're at the bottom of the screen. That tends to be where my attention is when I'm using konsole.
- thriftwy 3y agoI have them on the bottom for 20 years. The first thing I'll change on fresh system. Glad I won't need to do that anymore. I wonder if "new tab" button is always visible now too.
- moffkalast 3y agoTo each his own I suppose, as long as it's adjustable :) Is it a browser tabs vs. taskbar tabs ideology?
- kuschku 3y agoPeople like tabs right next to the area they look at most of the time. In browsers, that's always at the top. In terminals, depending on if you're a heavy user (and as result, the prompt is at the bottom) or a light user (and the prompt is at the top), you'll likely prefer tabs to be in the same area, too. I've actually got different settings for taskbar position and terminal tab position between my work ubuntu, personal ubuntu, and personal windows systems.