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Let’s not forget the role of lawyers and the general increasing litigious nature of society. Things are made “safe” because there is now always a risk of getti

by drchiu 3y ago

Let’s not forget the role of lawyers and the general increasing litigious nature of society. Things are made “safe” because there is now always a risk of getting sued when stuff happens.

euroderf 3y ago
This is the four hundred pound gorilla in the room.
Loughla 3y ago
This is the root cause. 150%. At least for the US.
- mlrtime 3y ago
  For some areas in the US yeah. To say this happens in every city in the US is 100% wrong. It would never happen in my neighborhood.
jerf 3y ago
This is the core problem. It doesn't matter if you convince Mom & Dad & the kids to play risky if the primary "risk" is getting picked up by the police and having your family fed into the bureaucratic grinder of Child Protective Services. Society isn't just encouraging the removal of risky play, it is enforcing it. Until the police are trained to get a call to a child riding their bike down the road by themselves and berate the person who called them and not issue even a token warning to the kid or parents, there will be no change.
- Apocryphon 3y ago
  Not to deny that this is an increasingly litigious society, but if the bureaucracy is so sprawling, surely it gets to a level where it's too stuffed with requests to be able to respond to every triviality, no?
  - dagw 3y ago
    Feeding people into the bureaucracy machine is quick, easy and looks good on your KPIs, so that is where the focus is. Helping people get out of the bureaucracy is hard and time consuming, so that mostly gets ignored. Being stuck in limbo for years with a pending CPS case would be shattering to most people, even if nothing concrete ends up happening.
  - jerf 3y ago
    It doesn't work that way, because bureaucracies do not have to operate on a first-come, first-serve basis. Across the time span of years, anyone can find themselves part of a politically-targeted group and find their case jumps the queue. I prefer to avoid that anti-lottery ticket if I can.

by drchiu 3y ago

Let’s not forget the role of lawyers and the general increasing litigious nature of society. Things are made “safe” because there is now always a risk of getting sued when stuff happens.

euroderf 3y ago

This is the four hundred pound gorilla in the room.

Loughla 3y ago

This is the root cause. 150%. At least for the US.

mlrtime 3y ago
For some areas in the US yeah. To say this happens in every city in the US is 100% wrong. It would never happen in my neighborhood.

jerf 3y ago

This is the core problem. It doesn't matter if you convince Mom & Dad & the kids to play risky if the primary "risk" is getting picked up by the police and having your family fed into the bureaucratic grinder of Child Protective Services. Society isn't just encouraging the removal of risky play, it is enforcing it. Until the police are trained to get a call to a child riding their bike down the road by themselves and berate the person who called them and not issue even a token warning to the kid or parents, there will be no change.

Apocryphon 3y ago
Not to deny that this is an increasingly litigious society, but if the bureaucracy is so sprawling, surely it gets to a level where it's too stuffed with requests to be able to respond to every triviality, no?
- dagw 3y ago
  Feeding people into the bureaucracy machine is quick, easy and looks good on your KPIs, so that is where the focus is. Helping people get out of the bureaucracy is hard and time consuming, so that mostly gets ignored. Being stuck in limbo for years with a pending CPS case would be shattering to most people, even if nothing concrete ends up happening.
- jerf 3y ago
  It doesn't work that way, because bureaucracies do not have to operate on a first-come, first-serve basis. Across the time span of years, anyone can find themselves part of a politically-targeted group and find their case jumps the queue. I prefer to avoid that anti-lottery ticket if I can.