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Yes. But why is this a new situation? What's changed about the economy if this is only now becoming standard practice? Is there really a large glut of recent g

by phillmv 14y ago

Yes. But why is this a new situation? What's changed about the economy if this is only now becoming standard practice? Is there really a large glut of recent graduates and a corresponding lack of new jobs, or is this just a collective action problem where since recent graduates can't reject unpaid internships en masse we're stuck in a race to the bottom? Do we offer unpaid internships because there are just so many people willing to work for free, or do we offer unpaid internships because there are people willing to work for free and everyone else is also doing it? We're only one or two steps away from reverse paid internships, or looking at them as investments. "Seeking executive assistant. Minimum MBA or equivalent post-graduate degree. First one to pony up $20k gets it".

MatthewPhillips 14y ago
It didn't happen over night. We're in a situation where there is little alternative for new graduates. 20 years ago you were special if you went to college, today its just a prereq to not have your resume thrown directly in the trash. Additionally no emphasis is placed on career or skill-learning at college, it's a place to study things that interest you (which I'm all in favor of, but the realities of the world are that the demand for people who know a lot about 16th century literature is low). So we have millions of kids graduating college with no discernable skills, and an industrial economy that is all but dead. Perfect ground for exploitation of these kids who just want to get their foot in the door of some place that has air conditioning and decent medical benefits.
eli_gottlieb 14y ago
Is there really a large glut of recent graduates and a corresponding lack of new jobs, or is this just a collective action problem where since recent graduates can't reject unpaid internships en masse we're stuck in a race to the bottom? Both. That's the way the labor market has always been: a collective-action problem where any one worker can undercut living standards for everyone else in their field whenever supply outnumbers demand. The answer to the problem, traditionally, has been to unionize. We're only one or two steps away from reverse paid internships, or looking at them as investments. "Seeking executive assistant. Minimum MBA or equivalent post-graduate degree. First one to pony up $20k gets it". Which is going to be the point where the Protestant Work Ethic finally breaks down and America's youth goes on strike. I'm looking forward to it.

by phillmv 14y ago

MatthewPhillips 14y ago

It didn't happen over night. We're in a situation where there is little alternative for new graduates. 20 years ago you were special if you went to college, today its just a prereq to not have your resume thrown directly in the trash. Additionally no emphasis is placed on career or skill-learning at college, it's a place to study things that interest you (which I'm all in favor of, but the realities of the world are that the demand for people who know a lot about 16th century literature is low). So we have millions of kids graduating college with no discernable skills, and an industrial economy that is all but dead. Perfect ground for exploitation of these kids who just want to get their foot in the door of some place that has air conditioning and decent medical benefits.

eli_gottlieb 14y ago

Is there really a large glut of recent graduates and a corresponding lack of new jobs, or is this just a collective action problem where since recent graduates can't reject unpaid internships en masse we're stuck in a race to the bottom? Both. That's the way the labor market has always been: a collective-action problem where any one worker can undercut living standards for everyone else in their field whenever supply outnumbers demand. The answer to the problem, traditionally, has been to unionize. We're only one or two steps away from reverse paid internships, or looking at them as investments. "Seeking executive assistant. Minimum MBA or equivalent post-graduate degree. First one to pony up $20k gets it". Which is going to be the point where the Protestant Work Ethic finally breaks down and America's youth goes on strike. I'm looking forward to it.