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Logical for his career, sure, which was built on the widespread anti-Islamic rhetoric being pushed by media outlets to justify the GWOT. Sam Harris owes even mo

Logical for his career, sure, which was built on the widespread anti-Islamic rhetoric being pushed by media outlets to justify the GWOT. Sam Harris owes even more of his career to this. How anyone could think the invasion of Iraq and the (fabricated) support for it were anything other than disasters is beyond me. It has nothing to do with the fact that Saddam was a “bad guy”, and everything to do with basic geopolitical realities. Unless you also think we should invade every country that has repressive leaders?

mixmastamyk 3y ago
Right, Hitchens did it all just to further his career. That's why he went to Kurdistan... and climbed hills in Cuba, Yugoslavia, etc. Became a marxist/journalist rather than an investment banker. Reading his memoir Hitch22, I couldn't help think what a "greedy communist" he sounded like, throughout. If not obvious, this paragraph is sarcasm. It didn't actually further his career, it largely hurt it. You can call it anti-islamic rhetoric if you want. The reality is that religious nuts are a real problem, and Islam has its leading share. He was also anti-religion, which I respect to a point. > we should invade every country that has repressive leaders Not just repressive, combative to the whole region. Forgot WWII? It happened and worked twice. Why not this time? Well culture, history, and execution competence were totally different. Too many variables to consider, maybe in book form at the minimum. You're also conflating the Bush admins desire to use 9/11 for their own ends. That happened but has nothing to do with Hitchens. As everyone who cares knows now, it had nothing to do with Hussein either. No need to bring it up.
- keiferski 3y ago
  All of those things happened before 9/11, which was a major turning point for Hitchens. After that, he became even more anti-religious, anti-Muslim, and pro-war. He was pretty supportive of the Bush administration and visited Iraq with Paul Wolfowitz. He certainly "had something to do with it." Let's not forget that his books sold millions and he certainly did well financially. He also wrote countless essays justifying the war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Long_Short_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Long_Short_War As to the rest of your comment, I'm honestly not sure how to respond. What is your definition of combative to the whole region? Are you including Iran, Russia, or China in your definition? And so you'd support a global war to replace the leadership of those countries? After the debacle of the GWOT, the failure of the Iraq War and of the recent Afghanistan retreat, I genuinely don't understand how someone even slightly pragmatically-minded could have this opinion. I only included the Iraq mention off-handedly because I assumed it was nearly common sense that the war was a bad decision. My main criticisms of him are his sloppy arguments and lazy scholarship, which zero people in the academic fields of philosophy and philosophy of religion take seriously.
  - mixmastamyk 3y ago
    > He also wrote countless essays justifying the war. Yes, that's part of him supporting it. He was a DC correspondent, who else would he meet with but the current administration? > What is your definition of combative to the whole region? Hussein invaded Iran, Kurdistan, and Kuwait, three neighbors. Was probably active elsewhere westward. Saudis were certainly scared. > Are you including Iran, Russia, or China ... global war? Russia probably fits that right now. I think you know the answer but seem to be unsure for some reason, but no—no one is invading a gigantic country with a huge army and nukes. No one influential is even contemplating expanding the war with Russia that I know of. So, let's keep this to the realm of possibility and not start imagining new world wars we could get into, please. > was nearly common sense that the war was a bad decision. This is the kind of lazy, comfortable "2000-era liberal opinion", for lack of a better term, I was writing about earlier and was Hitchens' main point. You've forgotten how unfathomable Hussein was; tried to minimize it. Erased his genocide and chemical warfare from your mind. But if you're truly a liberal you should be willing to fight against these things, really f'ing hard. Again, imagine its 1942. The holocaust is off to a fine start. You say, "well due to geopolitical realities, (nudge, nudge) starting a war would be a bad decision. Just give them Nazis a little lebensraum, that's all they want!" We had a word for that not long ago, it was called "appeasement" and history does not look kindly on those folks. If we had lost WWII, I bet those appeasement folks would be feeling comfortable too.
    - keiferski 3y ago
      Comparing 2003 Iraq to WW2 Germany is the most nonsensical take I’ve read in awhile.
      - mixmastamyk 3y ago
        It's clear you've run out of argument and don't know much about Hussein. Take a look at #2 in the list below. The show is interesting as well. Good night. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Become_a_Tyrant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Become_a_Tyrant
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mixmastamyk 3y ago

Right, Hitchens did it all just to further his career. That's why he went to Kurdistan... and climbed hills in Cuba, Yugoslavia, etc. Became a marxist/journalist rather than an investment banker. Reading his memoir Hitch22, I couldn't help think what a "greedy communist" he sounded like, throughout. If not obvious, this paragraph is sarcasm. It didn't actually further his career, it largely hurt it. You can call it anti-islamic rhetoric if you want. The reality is that religious nuts are a real problem, and Islam has its leading share. He was also anti-religion, which I respect to a point. > we should invade every country that has repressive leaders Not just repressive, combative to the whole region. Forgot WWII? It happened and worked twice. Why not this time? Well culture, history, and execution competence were totally different. Too many variables to consider, maybe in book form at the minimum. You're also conflating the Bush admins desire to use 9/11 for their own ends. That happened but has nothing to do with Hitchens. As everyone who cares knows now, it had nothing to do with Hussein either. No need to bring it up.

keiferski 3y ago
All of those things happened before 9/11, which was a major turning point for Hitchens. After that, he became even more anti-religious, anti-Muslim, and pro-war. He was pretty supportive of the Bush administration and visited Iraq with Paul Wolfowitz. He certainly "had something to do with it." Let's not forget that his books sold millions and he certainly did well financially. He also wrote countless essays justifying the war. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Long_Short_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Long_Short_War As to the rest of your comment, I'm honestly not sure how to respond. What is your definition of combative to the whole region? Are you including Iran, Russia, or China in your definition? And so you'd support a global war to replace the leadership of those countries? After the debacle of the GWOT, the failure of the Iraq War and of the recent Afghanistan retreat, I genuinely don't understand how someone even slightly pragmatically-minded could have this opinion. I only included the Iraq mention off-handedly because I assumed it was nearly common sense that the war was a bad decision. My main criticisms of him are his sloppy arguments and lazy scholarship, which zero people in the academic fields of philosophy and philosophy of religion take seriously.
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  > He also wrote countless essays justifying the war. Yes, that's part of him supporting it. He was a DC correspondent, who else would he meet with but the current administration? > What is your definition of combative to the whole region? Hussein invaded Iran, Kurdistan, and Kuwait, three neighbors. Was probably active elsewhere westward. Saudis were certainly scared. > Are you including Iran, Russia, or China ... global war? Russia probably fits that right now. I think you know the answer but seem to be unsure for some reason, but no—no one is invading a gigantic country with a huge army and nukes. No one influential is even contemplating expanding the war with Russia that I know of. So, let's keep this to the realm of possibility and not start imagining new world wars we could get into, please. > was nearly common sense that the war was a bad decision. This is the kind of lazy, comfortable "2000-era liberal opinion", for lack of a better term, I was writing about earlier and was Hitchens' main point. You've forgotten how unfathomable Hussein was; tried to minimize it. Erased his genocide and chemical warfare from your mind. But if you're truly a liberal you should be willing to fight against these things, really f'ing hard. Again, imagine its 1942. The holocaust is off to a fine start. You say, "well due to geopolitical realities, (nudge, nudge) starting a war would be a bad decision. Just give them Nazis a little lebensraum, that's all they want!" We had a word for that not long ago, it was called "appeasement" and history does not look kindly on those folks. If we had lost WWII, I bet those appeasement folks would be feeling comfortable too.
  - keiferski 3y ago
    Comparing 2003 Iraq to WW2 Germany is the most nonsensical take I’ve read in awhile.
    - mixmastamyk 3y ago
      It's clear you've run out of argument and don't know much about Hussein. Take a look at #2 in the list below. The show is interesting as well. Good night. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Become_a_Tyrant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Become_a_Tyrant
- 3y ago