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Interesting, but 1.4mb is unfortunately not enough for a full song in mp3 format at decent quality. Opus could get you to 3mins at good quality or 4mins at tol

Interesting, but 1.4mb is unfortunately not enough for a full song in mp3 format at decent quality. Opus could get you to 3mins at good quality or 4mins at tolerable. Just tried it, 42k bitrate gets a 4:23 song down to floppy size at “transistor radio” quality. A 3:16 song at 52k sounds decent—probably forget it’s compressed if not actively doing an A/B test. Believe a floppy pairs better with a clever midi file and a quality sequencer. :-D

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omoikane 3y ago
Maybe they are distributing mods. I sampled a few random files at modarchive.org and they are all on the order of few hundred kilobytes.
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rob74 3y ago
As the sibling comment mentioned, MOD file formats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_file https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_file) are a good compromise between "only storing the music" like in MIDI files (which means you have no control whatsoever over how it will sound when replayed) and size limitations - they store the instruments as samples in the file, which saves a lot of space compared to MP3 et al, which store the whole song as a "sample" (despite MP3 using lossy compression).
- mixmastamyk 3y ago
  The article doesn't mention that, only mp3.
- livrem 3y ago
  Another alternative would be music programming languages. There was a thing for a while with posting SuperCollider tracks as 140 character tweets. A floppy would be plenty of space for full albums of music. There are also wrappers for it in more normal programming languages, like Overtone (using Clojure) or Sonic Pi (Ruby), but the original SCLang is possibly more compact. https://supercollider.github.io/ https://supercollider.github.io/ https://supercollider.github.io/sc-140 https://supercollider.github.io/sc-140 Previous discussion 14 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=992231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=992231 (22 comments)
prmoustache 3y ago
Same as demoscene: use samples, mods. If you don't use too big samples you might even have a dos mod player in the floppy.
HPsquared 3y ago
Given a large enough neural network, I'm quite confident music could be compressed much - MUCH - more than traditional methods. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/metas-ai-powered-audio-codec-promises-10x-compression-over-mp3/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/metas... Article mentions 6 kb/s
- fsiefken 3y ago
  1.5 kbps with Vocos and Meta's EnCodec, voice samples here, but I wonder how music would sound. https://gemelo-ai.github.io/vocos/ https://gemelo-ai.github.io/vocos/

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omoikane 3y ago

Maybe they are distributing mods. I sampled a few random files at modarchive.org and they are all on the order of few hundred kilobytes.

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rob74 3y ago

As the sibling comment mentioned, MOD file formats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_file https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Module_file) are a good compromise between "only storing the music" like in MIDI files (which means you have no control whatsoever over how it will sound when replayed) and size limitations - they store the instruments as samples in the file, which saves a lot of space compared to MP3 et al, which store the whole song as a "sample" (despite MP3 using lossy compression).

mixmastamyk 3y ago
The article doesn't mention that, only mp3.
livrem 3y ago
Another alternative would be music programming languages. There was a thing for a while with posting SuperCollider tracks as 140 character tweets. A floppy would be plenty of space for full albums of music. There are also wrappers for it in more normal programming languages, like Overtone (using Clojure) or Sonic Pi (Ruby), but the original SCLang is possibly more compact. https://supercollider.github.io/ https://supercollider.github.io/ https://supercollider.github.io/sc-140 https://supercollider.github.io/sc-140 Previous discussion 14 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=992231 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=992231 (22 comments)

prmoustache 3y ago

Same as demoscene: use samples, mods. If you don't use too big samples you might even have a dos mod player in the floppy.

HPsquared 3y ago

Given a large enough neural network, I'm quite confident music could be compressed much - MUCH - more than traditional methods. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/metas-ai-powered-audio-codec-promises-10x-compression-over-mp3/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/11/metas... Article mentions 6 kb/s

fsiefken 3y ago
1.5 kbps with Vocos and Meta's EnCodec, voice samples here, but I wonder how music would sound. https://gemelo-ai.github.io/vocos/ https://gemelo-ai.github.io/vocos/