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This is why you don't let the weather app access your location. In fact, weather apps are one of the main offenders here. ICE in the US has been known to use t

This is why you don't let the weather app access your location. In fact, weather apps are one of the main offenders here. ICE in the US has been known to use this same data to track down and harm undocumented migrants. Personally, I have a de-googled Pixel running GrapheneOS. It has a sandboxed version of Google Play, but without the elevated system privileges. I am not signed in to Google at any kind of global device level. I can still install and run most apps, but without the tracking.

unmole 3y ago
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- aussieguy1234 3y ago
  That would involve force and most likely some harm, state sanctioned or not. I'll bet most would have been completely unaware that viewing a weather app led to being arrested.
- andrei_says_ 3y ago
  I prefer the lest dehumanizing undocumented migrants. Using intentionally dehumanizing language exposes a desire for unchecked cruelty.
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  - jevoten 3y ago
    Do you have this backwards? Any animal can be "undocumented", and there are in fact strict requirements for cattle documentation if they're to be used as food. But only humans can be criminals. More relevant is perhaps the issue of accuracy - if a US citizen loses their ID, they are "undocumented". Meanwhile an illegal immigrant, even if they have all their papers and the authorities know who they are, i.e. they are fully "documented", is still not permitted to stay in the country.
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- browserman 3y ago
  Being an undocumented resident is not a crime. https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINA...
  - leereeves 3y ago
    But: > Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is a misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances
- mu53 3y ago
  If the immigration laws were enforced 100% accurately today, the US economy would falter. Undocumented workers do work in farm, janitorial, restaurant, construction, and other sectors that is irreplaceable through any other reasonable means. The immigration crisis of today is the result of a failure of legislative body to legislate (10% approval ratings are bad). Including other external factors such as corrupt governments/drug cartels and internal factors such as many companies happy to look the other way when people don't have legal work status. If you watch videos on immigration seeing ICE, courts, and migrants interacting, the migrants get asylum and then encouraged to find work. It's all tongue-in-cheek. If anything the system could be intentional because without legislation, the executive branch can unilaterally set thresholds and targets for migration in step with economic goals. Even Trump didn't tighten the migration laws drastically until covid hit bringing an economic slowdown (no workers needed during recessions). The social issues focused on in the media are minor compared to the economic benefits.
  - leereeves 3y ago
    > Undocumented workers do work in farm, janitorial, restaurant, construction, and other sectors that is irreplaceable through any other reasonable means. It's all replaceable, but only by improving wages and working conditions. I find it a bit unappealing to celebrate the economic benefits we gain by paying people so little to work in such terrible conditions. That said, I agree it's mostly political theater. Both Democrats and Republicans look the other way when the people who employ migrant workers violate labor laws. If Rs were serious about controlling immigration, or Ds were serious about protecting workers, they would prosecute the employers.
  - joegibbs 3y ago
    If the US economy would falter from that I think it deserves it. It’s immoral to have an economy that’s exploiting below-minimum wage workers who can’t complain or will get deported and it suppresses the wages of citizens who want to work in those fields. There should be full enforcement of both illegal immigration and against the hiring of illegal immigrants.
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Lammy 3y ago
This (location data collection) is why Apple bought Dark Sky imo https://i.imgur.com/M7ywdfo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M7ywdfo.jpg
- Perceval 3y ago
  Apple doesn't need to buy a weather app on the iPhone (when it offers its own pre-installed weather app anyway) in order to get your location. Apple can get your location directly from the iPhone itself.
spamuel 3y ago
"track down and harm"? Just speak without weird political euphemisms please.
- wenebego 3y ago
  How would you characterize it instead?
  - zzz999 3y ago
    Do you have an example of it actually happening?
  - Perceval 3y ago
    Locate and arrest individuals who have broken the laws that ICE is charged with enforcing?
naveen99 3y ago
I think either visas should be renamed documents, or undocumented migrants should be renamed unvisa’d migrants. Because between tax-id-numbers, drivers licenses, bank accounts, cell phones, I am sure big brother has some data on them, weather you call that data: documents or visas.

unmole 3y ago

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aussieguy1234 3y ago
That would involve force and most likely some harm, state sanctioned or not. I'll bet most would have been completely unaware that viewing a weather app led to being arrested.
andrei_says_ 3y ago
I prefer the lest dehumanizing undocumented migrants. Using intentionally dehumanizing language exposes a desire for unchecked cruelty.
- deleted 3y ago
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- jevoten 3y ago
  Do you have this backwards? Any animal can be "undocumented", and there are in fact strict requirements for cattle documentation if they're to be used as food. But only humans can be criminals. More relevant is perhaps the issue of accuracy - if a US citizen loses their ID, they are "undocumented". Meanwhile an illegal immigrant, even if they have all their papers and the authorities know who they are, i.e. they are fully "documented", is still not permitted to stay in the country.
  - deleted 3y ago
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browserman 3y ago
Being an undocumented resident is not a crime. https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINAL_criminalizing_undocumented_immigrants_issue_brief_PUBLIC_VERSION.pdf https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/files/field_document/FINA...
- leereeves 3y ago
  But: > Entering the United States without being inspected and admitted, i.e., illegal entry, is a misdemeanor or can be a felony, depending on the circumstances
mu53 3y ago
If the immigration laws were enforced 100% accurately today, the US economy would falter. Undocumented workers do work in farm, janitorial, restaurant, construction, and other sectors that is irreplaceable through any other reasonable means. The immigration crisis of today is the result of a failure of legislative body to legislate (10% approval ratings are bad). Including other external factors such as corrupt governments/drug cartels and internal factors such as many companies happy to look the other way when people don't have legal work status. If you watch videos on immigration seeing ICE, courts, and migrants interacting, the migrants get asylum and then encouraged to find work. It's all tongue-in-cheek. If anything the system could be intentional because without legislation, the executive branch can unilaterally set thresholds and targets for migration in step with economic goals. Even Trump didn't tighten the migration laws drastically until covid hit bringing an economic slowdown (no workers needed during recessions). The social issues focused on in the media are minor compared to the economic benefits.
- leereeves 3y ago
  > Undocumented workers do work in farm, janitorial, restaurant, construction, and other sectors that is irreplaceable through any other reasonable means. It's all replaceable, but only by improving wages and working conditions. I find it a bit unappealing to celebrate the economic benefits we gain by paying people so little to work in such terrible conditions. That said, I agree it's mostly political theater. Both Democrats and Republicans look the other way when the people who employ migrant workers violate labor laws. If Rs were serious about controlling immigration, or Ds were serious about protecting workers, they would prosecute the employers.
- joegibbs 3y ago
  If the US economy would falter from that I think it deserves it. It’s immoral to have an economy that’s exploiting below-minimum wage workers who can’t complain or will get deported and it suppresses the wages of citizens who want to work in those fields. There should be full enforcement of both illegal immigration and against the hiring of illegal immigrants.
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Lammy 3y ago

This (location data collection) is why Apple bought Dark Sky imo https://i.imgur.com/M7ywdfo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/M7ywdfo.jpg

Perceval 3y ago
Apple doesn't need to buy a weather app on the iPhone (when it offers its own pre-installed weather app anyway) in order to get your location. Apple can get your location directly from the iPhone itself.

spamuel 3y ago

"track down and harm"? Just speak without weird political euphemisms please.

wenebego 3y ago
How would you characterize it instead?
- zzz999 3y ago
  Do you have an example of it actually happening?
- Perceval 3y ago
  Locate and arrest individuals who have broken the laws that ICE is charged with enforcing?

naveen99 3y ago

I think either visas should be renamed documents, or undocumented migrants should be renamed unvisa’d migrants. Because between tax-id-numbers, drivers licenses, bank accounts, cell phones, I am sure big brother has some data on them, weather you call that data: documents or visas.