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Seeing that list makes me deeply doubt the metrics or methodology here. As an Estonian, we use a lot of green energy, but the vast majority of it is imported, w

Seeing that list makes me deeply doubt the metrics or methodology here. As an Estonian, we use a lot of green energy, but the vast majority of it is imported, we're very much struggling with getting local production to where it needs to be.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Is there a problem with it being imported? The excess power from Finland's latest nuclear generator to come online (while already having ample low carbon energy) combined with Estonia's plans for increasing existing interconnector capacity with Finland seems like a fine solution, if only in the short term. > The output of Finland's newest nuclear power facility, Olkiluoto 3, has been significantly cut back because electricity has become too cheap, according to the plant's owner, Teollisuuden Voima (TVO). > "Electricity production must also be profitable for nuclear power plants, and when the price is particularly low, there may be situations where output is limited," TVO communications manager, Johanna Aho, said. > Early on Wednesday the market price for electricity dropped below zero cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh) and for hours after that the price was only 0.3 cents per kWh at its highest, according to the country's grid operator, Fingrid. > The Olkiluoto 3 nuclear reactor in Eurajoki, southwest Finland, started regular electricity production in mid-April, about 14 years behind schedule. > Generally, the amount of electricity generated in Finland is regulated by increasing or decreasing the amount of hydroelectric power that is used. However, due to flood conditions in northern Finland, reducing hydroelectric-generated electricity is challenging at the moment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30653220 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30653220 ("HN: Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite to power market") https://yle.fi/a/74-20032375 https://yle.fi/a/74-20032375 ("Finnish nuclear plant throttles production as electricity price plunges") https://elering.ee/en/elering-and-fingrid-launch-joint-activities-construction-estlink-3 https://elering.ee/en/elering-and-fingrid-launch-joint-activ... ("Elering and Fingrid launch joint activities for construction of EstLink 3") https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/EE?wind=false&solar=false https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/EE?wind=false&solar=fal... ("Electricity Maps: Estonia")
ZeroGravitas 3y ago
I think you misread the quote, which is understandable as it's awkwardly phased. Estonia is on the "not doing well" list, at least compared with some other EU nations.
- leereeves 3y ago
  > The smallest distance in relation to the target set for SDG 7 can be observed for Sweden, Denmark, Estonia, and Austria To me, that says Estonia is among the closest to reaching the targets. How do you read it? Another quote in the paper says something similar: > the group of countries that came closest to the 2030 target in 2021, apart from the three Scandinavian countries, includes Estonia, Austria, and Slovenia
  - ZeroGravitas 3y ago
    Ah it's me that misread it then. I interpreted it as the smallest distance travelled towards the goals in comparison the the countries in the following sentence which have made most progress. Now I'm not sure what it means. If other countries have made more progress over the last decade, how can the countries listed with Estonia be closer to their goals?
    - Etheryte 3y ago
      The metric isn't that everyone should improve by some amount, but rather that everyone should reach a certain threshold. If you were closer to the threshold to begin with you can make less progress and still be closer to achieving it.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

Is there a problem with it being imported? The excess power from Finland's latest nuclear generator to come online (while already having ample low carbon energy) combined with Estonia's plans for increasing existing interconnector capacity with Finland seems like a fine solution, if only in the short term. > The output of Finland's newest nuclear power facility, Olkiluoto 3, has been significantly cut back because electricity has become too cheap, according to the plant's owner, Teollisuuden Voima (TVO). > "Electricity production must also be profitable for nuclear power plants, and when the price is particularly low, there may be situations where output is limited," TVO communications manager, Johanna Aho, said. > Early on Wednesday the market price for electricity dropped below zero cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh) and for hours after that the price was only 0.3 cents per kWh at its highest, according to the country's grid operator, Fingrid. > The Olkiluoto 3 nuclear reactor in Eurajoki, southwest Finland, started regular electricity production in mid-April, about 14 years behind schedule. > Generally, the amount of electricity generated in Finland is regulated by increasing or decreasing the amount of hydroelectric power that is used. However, due to flood conditions in northern Finland, reducing hydroelectric-generated electricity is challenging at the moment. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30653220 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30653220 ("HN: Finland starts much-delayed nuclear plant, brings respite to power market") https://yle.fi/a/74-20032375 https://yle.fi/a/74-20032375 ("Finnish nuclear plant throttles production as electricity price plunges") https://elering.ee/en/elering-and-fingrid-launch-joint-activities-construction-estlink-3 https://elering.ee/en/elering-and-fingrid-launch-joint-activ... ("Elering and Fingrid launch joint activities for construction of EstLink 3") https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/EE?wind=false&solar=false https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/EE?wind=false&solar=fal... ("Electricity Maps: Estonia")

ZeroGravitas 3y ago

I think you misread the quote, which is understandable as it's awkwardly phased. Estonia is on the "not doing well" list, at least compared with some other EU nations.

leereeves 3y ago
> The smallest distance in relation to the target set for SDG 7 can be observed for Sweden, Denmark, Estonia, and Austria To me, that says Estonia is among the closest to reaching the targets. How do you read it? Another quote in the paper says something similar: > the group of countries that came closest to the 2030 target in 2021, apart from the three Scandinavian countries, includes Estonia, Austria, and Slovenia
- ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  Ah it's me that misread it then. I interpreted it as the smallest distance travelled towards the goals in comparison the the countries in the following sentence which have made most progress. Now I'm not sure what it means. If other countries have made more progress over the last decade, how can the countries listed with Estonia be closer to their goals?
  - Etheryte 3y ago
    The metric isn't that everyone should improve by some amount, but rather that everyone should reach a certain threshold. If you were closer to the threshold to begin with you can make less progress and still be closer to achieving it.