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Literally exactly what I'm predicting will happen is what's happening today. North American and European CO2 emissions are decreasing, but world wide emissions

Literally exactly what I'm predicting will happen is what's happening today. North American and European CO2 emissions are decreasing, but world wide emissions are constant. The rest of the world doesn't care, we're only bankrupting ourselves in a futile struggle. If you really want to reduce atmospheric CO2 the only solution is massive sequestration or military force to stop the third world from burning fossil fuels. https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?time=1941..latest&facet=none&country=OWID_AFR~OWID_NAM~OWID_ASI~OWID_EUR~OWID_SAM~OWID_WRL&hideControls=false&Gas+or+Warming=CO%E2%82%82&Accounting=Production-based&Fuel+or+Land+Use+Change=All+fossil+emissions&Count=Per+capita https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?time=1941..latest&f... Here's a better link: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?time=1941..latest&facet=none&country=OWID_WRL~High-income+countries~Low-income+countries~Lower-middle-income+countries~Upper-middle-income+countries&hideControls=false&Gas+or+Warming=CO%E2%82%82&Accounting=Production-based&Fuel+or+Land+Use+Change=All+fossil+emissions&Count=Per+capita https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co2?time=1941..latest&f...

nico_h 3y ago
Or like, affordable renewables and reforestation. Also we need to cool the oceans ASAP so they can recover their carbon sequestration capacity. Maybe we could use the negative spot price of renewables to cool the coastal waters as a form of geo engineering.
- pstrateman 3y ago
  Reforestation is a scam, the total biomass of all plants on earth is about 450 billion tons.[1] Global CO2 emissions are on the order of 55 billion tons a year. The only way reforestation is going to matter is if we cut down all the trees globally and regrow them completely every 10 years, which uh seems unlikely. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6016768/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6016768/ Edit: that being said I do like forests, not because of the CO2 reduction, but because they're nice places.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    Reforestation does not need to account for 100% of emissions in order to be considered “not a scam”
h0l0cube 3y ago
The graph show emissions going down in Africa, slow but steady. In fact they are going down everywhere (even globally) except for Asia. China right now is growing its coal stations alongside renewables capacity as ‘peakers’, but it doesn’t have as much access to sunlight as do much of the rest of the developing world. As it’s renewable capacity grows it will need its peakers less. India is scaling up renewables rapidly too, and will have a similar short term bump as its emerging middle class consume per capita something closer to what the west already does. The main issue may be island nations that don’t have the land for solar and will have to rely on more expensive options for renewable energy
- pstrateman 3y ago
  Really? China doesn't have as much access to the sun. That's an absurd cope.
  - h0l0cube 3y ago
    Compared to Africa or equatorial nations in Asia. But it’s not cope, because China is building plenty of solar. 216 GW last year alone according to a cursory googling https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-installed-solar-power-capacity-rises-552-2023-2024-01-26/#:~:text=BEIJING%2C%20Jan%2026%20(Reuters),Energy%20Agency%20showed%20on%20Friday https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-installed-sol....
  - KptMarchewa 3y ago
    Not much gets through the smog.
    - D-Coder 3y ago
      The smog is in the cities. It does not cover the entire country.
      - ben_w 3y ago
        Indeed. While this requires them to do more with long distance power transmission, they are, in fact, in the process of doing more with long distance power transmission. In the meantime, they're building more of everything else, too. So… a mixed bag, really. There's good stuff and bad there, on the energy front.

nico_h 3y ago

Or like, affordable renewables and reforestation. Also we need to cool the oceans ASAP so they can recover their carbon sequestration capacity. Maybe we could use the negative spot price of renewables to cool the coastal waters as a form of geo engineering.

pstrateman 3y ago
Reforestation is a scam, the total biomass of all plants on earth is about 450 billion tons.[1] Global CO2 emissions are on the order of 55 billion tons a year. The only way reforestation is going to matter is if we cut down all the trees globally and regrow them completely every 10 years, which uh seems unlikely. [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6016768/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6016768/ Edit: that being said I do like forests, not because of the CO2 reduction, but because they're nice places.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  Reforestation does not need to account for 100% of emissions in order to be considered “not a scam”

h0l0cube 3y ago

The graph show emissions going down in Africa, slow but steady. In fact they are going down everywhere (even globally) except for Asia. China right now is growing its coal stations alongside renewables capacity as ‘peakers’, but it doesn’t have as much access to sunlight as do much of the rest of the developing world. As it’s renewable capacity grows it will need its peakers less. India is scaling up renewables rapidly too, and will have a similar short term bump as its emerging middle class consume per capita something closer to what the west already does. The main issue may be island nations that don’t have the land for solar and will have to rely on more expensive options for renewable energy

pstrateman 3y ago
Really? China doesn't have as much access to the sun. That's an absurd cope.
- h0l0cube 3y ago
  Compared to Africa or equatorial nations in Asia. But it’s not cope, because China is building plenty of solar. 216 GW last year alone according to a cursory googling https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-installed-solar-power-capacity-rises-552-2023-2024-01-26/#:~:text=BEIJING%2C%20Jan%2026%20(Reuters),Energy%20Agency%20showed%20on%20Friday https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-installed-sol....
- KptMarchewa 3y ago
  Not much gets through the smog.
  - D-Coder 3y ago
    The smog is in the cities. It does not cover the entire country.
    - ben_w 3y ago
      Indeed. While this requires them to do more with long distance power transmission, they are, in fact, in the process of doing more with long distance power transmission. In the meantime, they're building more of everything else, too. So… a mixed bag, really. There's good stuff and bad there, on the energy front.