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> it is wildly unethical to injure an animal and then leave wandering around slowly dying. It's only unethical if you do it on purpose and do not make an hones

by hk1337 3y ago

> it is wildly unethical to injure an animal and then leave wandering around slowly dying. It's only unethical if you do it on purpose and do not make an honest effort to find the animal. It can happen that you shoot an animal and cannot find it because it ran off.

margalabargala 3y ago
Your intentions behind the injury, and the effort you put into the search, are irrelevant to the amount of suffering experienced by the animal if it is not found. Perhaps one person's behavior is more ethical with regard to the decisions they made, but their effect on the world is not different. Thus, we should make it easier for people to use tools to find such injured animals, so their effect on the world will be more positive (or less negative) than otherwise.
mlyle 3y ago
> ...do not make an honest effort to find the animal... And here we're talking about the law forcing unethical behavior by limiting honest efforts to find the animal.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > the law forcing unethical behavior by limiting honest efforts to find the animal Fair enough. On one hand, you have the harm caused by animals I found. On the other hand, you have the blanket plausible deniability granted to anyone using drones to find targets. Perhaps there could be a rule about not discharging a firearm while a drone is in flight. I don’t see how that would be enforceable, however, inasmuch as it requires LE to witness the illegal kill, which almost never happens.
  - mlyle 3y ago
    > On the other hand, you have the blanket plausible deniability granted to anyone using drones to find targets. Yah, I appreciate the problems; perhaps you can't have a weapon on your person while doing certain permitted recovery things. In this case, it's some poor SOB who got a phone call from some hunters^H^H^H^H^H^H agents who wanted help finding a hurt animal.
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > perhaps you can't have a weapon on your person while doing certain permitted recovery things Oh, duh. They're surveilling themselves. Drone needs to keep last X hours of footage on file at all times. If you're caught, the ranger manually reviews for a moment, takes a copy of the tape and your information, and thanks you for your time. If during the spot or extended review it's found you were stalking an animal with the drone, you're fined. Pay for it with a hunting-drone use fee.
bee_rider 3y ago
Sure. I’m not sure if this is an adding-on comment or an objection. Of course, in general ethical behavior also includes one’s own preparation, in this case practicing appropriately and making sure to only take a good shot. (Although, I don’t think I’m contradicting you here, actually I’m not really sure what you meant, sorry).

by hk1337 3y ago

margalabargala 3y ago

Your intentions behind the injury, and the effort you put into the search, are irrelevant to the amount of suffering experienced by the animal if it is not found. Perhaps one person's behavior is more ethical with regard to the decisions they made, but their effect on the world is not different. Thus, we should make it easier for people to use tools to find such injured animals, so their effect on the world will be more positive (or less negative) than otherwise.

mlyle 3y ago

> ...do not make an honest effort to find the animal... And here we're talking about the law forcing unethical behavior by limiting honest efforts to find the animal.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> the law forcing unethical behavior by limiting honest efforts to find the animal Fair enough. On one hand, you have the harm caused by animals I found. On the other hand, you have the blanket plausible deniability granted to anyone using drones to find targets. Perhaps there could be a rule about not discharging a firearm while a drone is in flight. I don’t see how that would be enforceable, however, inasmuch as it requires LE to witness the illegal kill, which almost never happens.
- mlyle 3y ago
  > On the other hand, you have the blanket plausible deniability granted to anyone using drones to find targets. Yah, I appreciate the problems; perhaps you can't have a weapon on your person while doing certain permitted recovery things. In this case, it's some poor SOB who got a phone call from some hunters^H^H^H^H^H^H agents who wanted help finding a hurt animal.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > perhaps you can't have a weapon on your person while doing certain permitted recovery things Oh, duh. They're surveilling themselves. Drone needs to keep last X hours of footage on file at all times. If you're caught, the ranger manually reviews for a moment, takes a copy of the tape and your information, and thanks you for your time. If during the spot or extended review it's found you were stalking an animal with the drone, you're fined. Pay for it with a hunting-drone use fee.

bee_rider 3y ago

Sure. I’m not sure if this is an adding-on comment or an objection. Of course, in general ethical behavior also includes one’s own preparation, in this case practicing appropriately and making sure to only take a good shot. (Although, I don’t think I’m contradicting you here, actually I’m not really sure what you meant, sorry).