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> I don't see why I would want to use anything else I use FF, too, but I can see why someone wouldn't want to: It's just not a very good Mac app. Weird windowi

> I don't see why I would want to use anything else I use FF, too, but I can see why someone wouldn't want to: It's just not a very good Mac app. Weird windowing and focus bugs in fullscreen mode. Keyboard shortcuts that randomly stop working. Zero scripting capabilities (it used to have the bare minimum, but Mozilla bizarrely ripped it out), and just poor integration in general. My system-wide shortcuts — the ones that are so important I've added them to every context menu on the system? That's a big nope because FF devs apparently think showing poxy extension icons is more important. Google had the good sense to copy Safari's keyboard shortcuts in Chrome. Mozilla didn't. The bookmark manager is straight out of Windows 95. Awful UX. I do like Firefox, but it's just not up to snuff on macOS.

snarfy 3y ago
To be fair, Apple is a bit hostile towards open source developers. I can write windows and linux software from both windows and linux, but to write apple software I need a mac and a developer account that costs money. If firefox depends on patches from the community, they will receive less patches for macos features because of this asymmetry.
- dotancohen 3y ago
  Linux user with no care for Mac features. Firefox may be open source, but Mozilla is a company with a paid development team. It is exactly these types of issues - UX, UI - on which the dev team should be working. I'm sure that a lot of features come from the open source community, but the polish and sound implementation is on the dev team. For what it's worth, Firefox on KDE is fine.
- nightpool 3y ago
  I have never needed to pay for a developer account to run my own code on my own machine. What? How does this have anything to do with OP's point?
Forgeties79 3y ago
I use Firefox as my daily driver on my personal and work computers with no issues. I guess YMMV there. I haven’t used chrome for about 3 years now. I keep a chromium browser around o just for testing things across browsers, but I never really need it.
myfonj 3y ago
As a fervent long-time Firefox user I would add that currently there are lots of default settings of freshly installed Firefox that are (for me) utterly wrong. And it feels like a sad trend. Last time I tried to use freshly installed Firefox it felt like a completely different browser than my Firefox with more than a decade old profile. Tabbing was wrong, URL bar behaviour was scary. All can be set back to (subjectively) sane state, what is good, but I really grieved poor folks who just decided to try this browser for the first time and were immediately "welcomed" by such disputable UX. And I don't mind dated UX of bookmarks manager, I even think that compared to other browsers it is the most usable one.
M95D 3y ago
> The bookmark manager is straight out of Windows 95. I wish it was! Unfortunately it's not.
lenkite 3y ago
Also - no way to remove third-party Pocket.

snarfy 3y ago

To be fair, Apple is a bit hostile towards open source developers. I can write windows and linux software from both windows and linux, but to write apple software I need a mac and a developer account that costs money. If firefox depends on patches from the community, they will receive less patches for macos features because of this asymmetry.

dotancohen 3y ago
Linux user with no care for Mac features. Firefox may be open source, but Mozilla is a company with a paid development team. It is exactly these types of issues - UX, UI - on which the dev team should be working. I'm sure that a lot of features come from the open source community, but the polish and sound implementation is on the dev team. For what it's worth, Firefox on KDE is fine.
nightpool 3y ago
I have never needed to pay for a developer account to run my own code on my own machine. What? How does this have anything to do with OP's point?

Forgeties79 3y ago

I use Firefox as my daily driver on my personal and work computers with no issues. I guess YMMV there. I haven’t used chrome for about 3 years now. I keep a chromium browser around o just for testing things across browsers, but I never really need it.

myfonj 3y ago

As a fervent long-time Firefox user I would add that currently there are lots of default settings of freshly installed Firefox that are (for me) utterly wrong. And it feels like a sad trend. Last time I tried to use freshly installed Firefox it felt like a completely different browser than my Firefox with more than a decade old profile. Tabbing was wrong, URL bar behaviour was scary. All can be set back to (subjectively) sane state, what is good, but I really grieved poor folks who just decided to try this browser for the first time and were immediately "welcomed" by such disputable UX. And I don't mind dated UX of bookmarks manager, I even think that compared to other browsers it is the most usable one.

M95D 3y ago

> The bookmark manager is straight out of Windows 95. I wish it was! Unfortunately it's not.

lenkite 3y ago

Also - no way to remove third-party Pocket.