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> other than by pure chance Barring intelligent design, there's an extremely good chance that at least one of these systems exist, and an equally good chance t

> other than by pure chance Barring intelligent design, there's an extremely good chance that at least one of these systems exist, and an equally good chance that only one exists, and we're just lucky enough to have observed it.

beambot 3y ago
Why would it be an equally good chance that only one exists?
- Karrot_Kream 3y ago
  It depends on what priors you put on things like planetary size and orbital periods. If your prior is uniform, then it is just as likely for this configuration to exist as any other and because the probability mass is uniformly distributed (e.g. every outcome is equally likely) then there's probably only one of it.
  - Petersipoi 3y ago
    > there's probably only one of it. I fail to see how you arrived at this conclusion give the text that precedes it.
  - maweki 3y ago
    Every value being equally likely does not mean we expect every value to appear only once. Throw a d6 seven times and we expect a configuration to come up twice, even though the distribution is uniform.
    - thaumasiotes 3y ago
      Throw a d6 seven times and the pigeonhole principle requires that a configuration will come up twice. The example is weakening your argument; it's still true that if you throw a d6 five times, you expect a configuration to come up twice. A better example wouldn't involve a probability that can achieve 1; maybe ask about the probability of rolling a 3, or of rolling another 3 given you've already observed one 3. None of those will match the comment above; it isn't well posed.
      - yreg 3y ago
        Throw a d6 six times and you probably won't see each value exactly once.
        thaumasiotes 3y ago
        Yes, I mentioned that in my comment, unless you believe that after seeing five rolls including a duplicate, adding a sixth might bring the total to six rolls with no duplicates.
        yreg 3y ago
        I refactored your comment. :)
      - saghm 3y ago
        > Throw a d6 seven times and the pigeonhole principle requires that a configuration will come up twice. The example is weakening your argument; it's still true that if you throw a d6 five times, you expect a configuration to come up twice Even that isn't as strong as you could make it; rolling a die 5 times is basically the birthday paradox but instead of asking 30 people their birthdays to find a duplicate, you're asking 300. In the case of life supporting planets though, it feels like we're trying to talk about the likelihood of rolling a given value when we haven't even determined whether the die has unique values on each face or not. If you're assuming that only one of the sides has a 3 on it, the interesting part is already over.
    - Kichererbsen 3y ago
      why you guys all rolling d6? d20 is the queen of dice!
jamiek88 3y ago
I don’t understand how one follows from the other there?
bakchodi 3y ago
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roenxi 3y ago
And with mathematically significant orbits, there is also the chance that some process stabilises to them which increases the chance of seeing them significantly. It is like being impressed by fractal designs in plants. The plant isn't intelligent and doesn't know about fractals, it is just that repeating patterns are easier for evolution to stabilise on. But hey, if the job is staring at planets they may as well stare at these interesting planets.
nyrikki 3y ago
The non-clickbait studies suggest that this is expected with planet formation. What makes this one unique is that it seems to have avoided disruptive events. Intelligent design and aliens get the pop science web hits while unperturbed defaults do not. "The current delicate configuration of the planetary orbits in HD 110067 rules out any violent event over the billion-year history ...making it a rare “fossil” to study migration mechanisms and the properties of its protoplanetary disk in a pristine environment." https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.17775 https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.17775
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beambot 3y ago

Why would it be an equally good chance that only one exists?

Karrot_Kream 3y ago
It depends on what priors you put on things like planetary size and orbital periods. If your prior is uniform, then it is just as likely for this configuration to exist as any other and because the probability mass is uniformly distributed (e.g. every outcome is equally likely) then there's probably only one of it.
- Petersipoi 3y ago
  > there's probably only one of it. I fail to see how you arrived at this conclusion give the text that precedes it.
- maweki 3y ago
  Every value being equally likely does not mean we expect every value to appear only once. Throw a d6 seven times and we expect a configuration to come up twice, even though the distribution is uniform.
  - thaumasiotes 3y ago
    Throw a d6 seven times and the pigeonhole principle requires that a configuration will come up twice. The example is weakening your argument; it's still true that if you throw a d6 five times, you expect a configuration to come up twice. A better example wouldn't involve a probability that can achieve 1; maybe ask about the probability of rolling a 3, or of rolling another 3 given you've already observed one 3. None of those will match the comment above; it isn't well posed.
    - yreg 3y ago
      Throw a d6 six times and you probably won't see each value exactly once.
      - thaumasiotes 3y ago
        Yes, I mentioned that in my comment, unless you believe that after seeing five rolls including a duplicate, adding a sixth might bring the total to six rolls with no duplicates.
        yreg 3y ago
        I refactored your comment. :)
    - saghm 3y ago
      > Throw a d6 seven times and the pigeonhole principle requires that a configuration will come up twice. The example is weakening your argument; it's still true that if you throw a d6 five times, you expect a configuration to come up twice Even that isn't as strong as you could make it; rolling a die 5 times is basically the birthday paradox but instead of asking 30 people their birthdays to find a duplicate, you're asking 300. In the case of life supporting planets though, it feels like we're trying to talk about the likelihood of rolling a given value when we haven't even determined whether the die has unique values on each face or not. If you're assuming that only one of the sides has a 3 on it, the interesting part is already over.
  - Kichererbsen 3y ago
    why you guys all rolling d6? d20 is the queen of dice!

jamiek88 3y ago

I don’t understand how one follows from the other there?

bakchodi 3y ago

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roenxi 3y ago

And with mathematically significant orbits, there is also the chance that some process stabilises to them which increases the chance of seeing them significantly. It is like being impressed by fractal designs in plants. The plant isn't intelligent and doesn't know about fractals, it is just that repeating patterns are easier for evolution to stabilise on. But hey, if the job is staring at planets they may as well stare at these interesting planets.

nyrikki 3y ago

The non-clickbait studies suggest that this is expected with planet formation. What makes this one unique is that it seems to have avoided disruptive events. Intelligent design and aliens get the pop science web hits while unperturbed defaults do not. "The current delicate configuration of the planetary orbits in HD 110067 rules out any violent event over the billion-year history ...making it a rare “fossil” to study migration mechanisms and the properties of its protoplanetary disk in a pristine environment." https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.17775 https://arxiv.org/abs/2311.17775

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