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> Sure, lots of people will lose their jobs, but it has to happen, better it happens fast and then we deal with the next phase of our economy whatever that enta

> Sure, lots of people will lose their jobs, but it has to happen, better it happens fast and then we deal with the next phase of our economy whatever that entails than a slow churn, I am glad that is a sacrifice you are willing to make.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
This is a sociopolitical problem. Tax automation and make safety nets stronger so people don’t suffer for those who control the robots. There are more people with votes than those who would benefit from winner takes all with ML/AI.
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  It isn't a lack of knowing this that's the issue, people have been advocating for these things since the 90's. The problem is the people with power are the same people who control the robots and are therefore disincentivized to cost themselves money in exchange for allowing workers they don't give a fuck about to continue to live.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Do you think they have the self awareness to solve the problem before the situation potentially devolves into violence? I certainly hope so, but could go either way. The more people who have nothing to lose, the more inherent system volatility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
    - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
      If the last 2 decades or so are anything to go by, those in power seem perfectly content to ride out the collapse banking on the fact that they have enough money to pay enough private security to keep themselves from getting [ CENSORED ].
- gremlinsinc 3y ago
  better yet, enact a land value tax, on top of automation taxes, which could probably cover all the needs of society, also have a VAT to get back some of the money doled out, but do away with income taxes. Then of course universal basic income + healthcare should be a given. Then we need to figure out how we can retain value as a society when AI can do most jobs, personally I hope that society devolves into two main professions after that -- entertainers, and scientists. Sure, Super AGI can outthink any scientist, but the more science thinkers the better IMHO. I think a huge swath of society will also be tied up in virtual worlds, which is probably good so we don't tick off a war against AI, if we stay out of each others way, then there's no need for our annihilation, or being turned into a zoo.
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thekevan 3y ago
Do you have the same empathy for lamp lighters? Would you have condemned electric street lights in favor for the sake of lamplighters and oil lamp makers having jobs?
- jakelazaroff 3y ago
  First of all, yes — of course I'd have empathy for someone whose living was decimated by forces beyond their control! To your second question: the societal benefits of electric light are pretty clear. The societal benefits of predatory loan companies using robots for their call centers are… dubious, to say the least.
justsomehnguy 3y ago
Do you think what coachmen should still be able to do their honest work to bring the bread home? What about lynotype workers?
- silverquiet 3y ago
  As male labor force participation falls, nothing good follows.
  - gremlinsinc 3y ago
    why does "male" matter? I am male, but I don't see why the gender of someone in the workforce matters. I do think parents should be able to have one person as 100% homemaker, but IDGAF if that's the man or the woman, or one of a lesbian or gay couple, each family has different dynamics and that's okay.
    - silverquiet 3y ago
      I don't think in the workforce matters as much as out of the workforce actually. If you look at crime statistics, you'll see that it skews highly gendered.

toomuchtodo 3y ago

This is a sociopolitical problem. Tax automation and make safety nets stronger so people don’t suffer for those who control the robots. There are more people with votes than those who would benefit from winner takes all with ML/AI.

ToucanLoucan 3y ago
It isn't a lack of knowing this that's the issue, people have been advocating for these things since the 90's. The problem is the people with power are the same people who control the robots and are therefore disincentivized to cost themselves money in exchange for allowing workers they don't give a fuck about to continue to live.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Do you think they have the self awareness to solve the problem before the situation potentially devolves into violence? I certainly hope so, but could go either way. The more people who have nothing to lose, the more inherent system volatility. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution
  - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
    If the last 2 decades or so are anything to go by, those in power seem perfectly content to ride out the collapse banking on the fact that they have enough money to pay enough private security to keep themselves from getting [ CENSORED ].
gremlinsinc 3y ago
better yet, enact a land value tax, on top of automation taxes, which could probably cover all the needs of society, also have a VAT to get back some of the money doled out, but do away with income taxes. Then of course universal basic income + healthcare should be a given. Then we need to figure out how we can retain value as a society when AI can do most jobs, personally I hope that society devolves into two main professions after that -- entertainers, and scientists. Sure, Super AGI can outthink any scientist, but the more science thinkers the better IMHO. I think a huge swath of society will also be tied up in virtual worlds, which is probably good so we don't tick off a war against AI, if we stay out of each others way, then there's no need for our annihilation, or being turned into a zoo.
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thekevan 3y ago

Do you have the same empathy for lamp lighters? Would you have condemned electric street lights in favor for the sake of lamplighters and oil lamp makers having jobs?

jakelazaroff 3y ago
First of all, yes — of course I'd have empathy for someone whose living was decimated by forces beyond their control! To your second question: the societal benefits of electric light are pretty clear. The societal benefits of predatory loan companies using robots for their call centers are… dubious, to say the least.

justsomehnguy 3y ago

Do you think what coachmen should still be able to do their honest work to bring the bread home? What about lynotype workers?

silverquiet 3y ago
As male labor force participation falls, nothing good follows.
- gremlinsinc 3y ago
  why does "male" matter? I am male, but I don't see why the gender of someone in the workforce matters. I do think parents should be able to have one person as 100% homemaker, but IDGAF if that's the man or the woman, or one of a lesbian or gay couple, each family has different dynamics and that's okay.
  - silverquiet 3y ago
    I don't think in the workforce matters as much as out of the workforce actually. If you look at crime statistics, you'll see that it skews highly gendered.