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Scare mongering to gain hundreds of millions of euros to use in a way that violates democracy. The undermining of Dutch society was done by the Dutch government

by hcfman 3y ago

Scare mongering to gain hundreds of millions of euros to use in a way that violates democracy. The undermining of Dutch society was done by the Dutch government themselves. For example, did you know that a Dutch prosecutor can lie in court under oath with no consequences? I have a letter from the attorney general of the Den Bosch office that states this in black and white. They cannot be found guilty of perjury. Why do I have such a letter from the attorny general? Because I tried to prosecute the prosecutor for obstruction of justice all the way to the attorny general's office. That letter was their only response.

brnt 3y ago
If you put this all down under scare mongering because prosecutors can be found guilty you are... seeing things very far out of perspective.
- hcfman 3y ago
  Please sir can you then explain to me where in the law does it say that it’s okay to use a civilian harrass, steal from, attack another civilian simply because he inconveniently lived next door to the target of an illegal intervention? The prosecutor that I’m talking about was the former head of the RIEC. The very organisation that embodies the entirely of this war against undermining that you are talking about. The civilian that I managed to force to court for stalking had been protected by this prosecutor for more than 10 years!!!!!!!! Which part exactly am I’m seeing out of perspective ? I’ve read a lot of criminal law! A civilian is not allowed to be used in an investigation that involves obsessive spying (stelselmatig observatie). For more than one year at a time, they need a contract in advance and they are not allowed to commit any crimes. So why are the openbare ministerie protecting this guy and publishing lies about me more than 10 years later???? I took the police to court and won. That also took me 5 years. I’ve seen the evidence that this guys was being protected by the OM. And that our lives were in danger from him. I have the reference numbers from the police files. You seem to have a vested interest in all this, are you going to tell the listeners who the responsible prosecutor was for the villa murder scandal ? How about telling them what position this person has now ? The person responsible for the injustice referred to in the series de Villamoord was also one of the prosecutors responsible for the living hell that was inflicted on me and my family when we were accidentally caught between their stupid games that destroy peoples lives. Are you also one of the people think that it’s okay to commit criminality against innocent civilians and strip them of their rights as well ?
  - brnt 3y ago
    No, I'm saying that the government is failing to correctly address this crime. You seem to be arguing that the problem doesn't exist, because they mishandle things. They are orthogonal things.
    - hcfman 3y ago
      No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that they have used this problem as a power grab and the power grab has destroyed the foundation of a democracy. That's not worth it. It's not worth it because it's not necessary. You are turning the country into the same sort of place that Navalny lived in. It not necessary to allow prosecutors to pervert the course of justice and lie under oath whenever they want, because then a court is meaningly. It's not necessary because a functioning democracy should be able to weather being found wrong and should be accountable. They have become completely unaccountable. And it's unnecessary because what value is there to harrass someone and their neighbor's after they have already been convicted and punished?
    - hcfman 3y ago
      By orthogonal do you mean you can deal with one of the things and ignore the other? Well.. you can't if you value democracy. Clearly they didn't.
  - hcfman 3y ago
    10 years long harrassing, stealing from, tampering with the cars from the neighbor of someone convicted of growing weed can hardly be described as mis-handling things. That's very very severe.
- hcfman 3y ago
  Frankly, if I'm honest, I wouldn't care why the Dutch criminal justice system did to fight crime so long as they obeyed the law, made things evidence based and left innocent people alone. But because the Dutch government facilitated and protected more than 10 years of criminality against me I now have this very strong view that what the Dutch government are doing is very wrong. They have in fact become just like the organized criminals that they are supposed to be fighting. They are in fact organized criminals themselves. And it's not just criminals that become the victim of this. What happened to me would have happened to any other citizen that was living in the same location when it happened as I was. And the offenders in the government committing these crimes keep committing them. The prosecutor in my case was found guilty of lying in court in 2013. He rose to become the head of the RIEC, the symbol agency of the fight against organised crime. The prosecutor that was responsible for the conviction on 9 innocent people on fabricated evidence in "De Villamoord" was the head of the organised crime unit in Arnheim till 2010 whe she became the head of the organised crime unit in Maastricht and then later the head of team interventions. I know, because I had two meetings with this woman. But it was not till have the massive obstruction of justice when the informant gone wrong appeared as the suspect in my stalking case that I found out exactly what had happened and how the govt. itself was responsible for the 10 year horror story that happened to me!!!!!!!!! Are you some of the people that think that that sort of collateral damage is okay?
  - brnt 3y ago
    No, I'm saying that the government is failing to correctly address this crime. You seem to be arguing that the problem doesn't exist, because they mishandle things.

by hcfman 3y ago

brnt 3y ago

If you put this all down under scare mongering because prosecutors can be found guilty you are... seeing things very far out of perspective.

hcfman 3y ago
Please sir can you then explain to me where in the law does it say that it’s okay to use a civilian harrass, steal from, attack another civilian simply because he inconveniently lived next door to the target of an illegal intervention? The prosecutor that I’m talking about was the former head of the RIEC. The very organisation that embodies the entirely of this war against undermining that you are talking about. The civilian that I managed to force to court for stalking had been protected by this prosecutor for more than 10 years!!!!!!!! Which part exactly am I’m seeing out of perspective ? I’ve read a lot of criminal law! A civilian is not allowed to be used in an investigation that involves obsessive spying (stelselmatig observatie). For more than one year at a time, they need a contract in advance and they are not allowed to commit any crimes. So why are the openbare ministerie protecting this guy and publishing lies about me more than 10 years later???? I took the police to court and won. That also took me 5 years. I’ve seen the evidence that this guys was being protected by the OM. And that our lives were in danger from him. I have the reference numbers from the police files. You seem to have a vested interest in all this, are you going to tell the listeners who the responsible prosecutor was for the villa murder scandal ? How about telling them what position this person has now ? The person responsible for the injustice referred to in the series de Villamoord was also one of the prosecutors responsible for the living hell that was inflicted on me and my family when we were accidentally caught between their stupid games that destroy peoples lives. Are you also one of the people think that it’s okay to commit criminality against innocent civilians and strip them of their rights as well ?
- brnt 3y ago
  No, I'm saying that the government is failing to correctly address this crime. You seem to be arguing that the problem doesn't exist, because they mishandle things. They are orthogonal things.
  - hcfman 3y ago
    No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that they have used this problem as a power grab and the power grab has destroyed the foundation of a democracy. That's not worth it. It's not worth it because it's not necessary. You are turning the country into the same sort of place that Navalny lived in. It not necessary to allow prosecutors to pervert the course of justice and lie under oath whenever they want, because then a court is meaningly. It's not necessary because a functioning democracy should be able to weather being found wrong and should be accountable. They have become completely unaccountable. And it's unnecessary because what value is there to harrass someone and their neighbor's after they have already been convicted and punished?
  - hcfman 3y ago
    By orthogonal do you mean you can deal with one of the things and ignore the other? Well.. you can't if you value democracy. Clearly they didn't.
- hcfman 3y ago
  10 years long harrassing, stealing from, tampering with the cars from the neighbor of someone convicted of growing weed can hardly be described as mis-handling things. That's very very severe.
hcfman 3y ago
Frankly, if I'm honest, I wouldn't care why the Dutch criminal justice system did to fight crime so long as they obeyed the law, made things evidence based and left innocent people alone. But because the Dutch government facilitated and protected more than 10 years of criminality against me I now have this very strong view that what the Dutch government are doing is very wrong. They have in fact become just like the organized criminals that they are supposed to be fighting. They are in fact organized criminals themselves. And it's not just criminals that become the victim of this. What happened to me would have happened to any other citizen that was living in the same location when it happened as I was. And the offenders in the government committing these crimes keep committing them. The prosecutor in my case was found guilty of lying in court in 2013. He rose to become the head of the RIEC, the symbol agency of the fight against organised crime. The prosecutor that was responsible for the conviction on 9 innocent people on fabricated evidence in "De Villamoord" was the head of the organised crime unit in Arnheim till 2010 whe she became the head of the organised crime unit in Maastricht and then later the head of team interventions. I know, because I had two meetings with this woman. But it was not till have the massive obstruction of justice when the informant gone wrong appeared as the suspect in my stalking case that I found out exactly what had happened and how the govt. itself was responsible for the 10 year horror story that happened to me!!!!!!!!! Are you some of the people that think that that sort of collateral damage is okay?
- brnt 3y ago
  No, I'm saying that the government is failing to correctly address this crime. You seem to be arguing that the problem doesn't exist, because they mishandle things.