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The main threat for normal, well-behaved people is the growth of services that encourage us to put all our eggs in one basket, multiplying the routes by which y

by soneil 3y ago

The main threat for normal, well-behaved people is the growth of services that encourage us to put all our eggs in one basket, multiplying the routes by which you might attract the wrath of The TOS Overlords. An example would be the number of people who don't want to issue perfectly valid chargebacks against Amazon because they'll lose access to digital purchases (kindle, audible, etc) in retaliation. So more on-topic, it's conceivable that, for example, you have a dispute over a Google Play purchase, and in trying to exercise your consumer rights, you lose your access to your gmail account. You don't need to be a troll to be violating a TOS, "if they're being punished they must have deserved it" is no more valid online than off.

ryandrake 3y ago
Yes, this is exactly where I was going with the TOS comment. To take this risk to the extreme: Imagine in the coming future, when every service you rely on or use comes from the same company, and any TOS violation or dispute on one of those services gets you banned from the rest of them. That's the world of hosted services we are slowly moving towards.
ok_dad 3y ago
I see, I guess I should have specified that I was talking more about email services like Fastmail, where you are just paying for email and if you break the TOS you probably were doing something absolutely bone-headed, and if not then you can just move your domain easily and take your email backups to another provider. Another example would be using some GUI or CLI utility and any generic S3 service to backup data, where you can move the backup to any S3 service you want to. I think that's a reasonable medium between losing everything because you put all your eggs in one basket with Google or with your HomeLab. Family can pretty easily pickup a Fastmail account and understand how to work it, and the same with a simple backup program on each computer plus S3 storage. I feel like this is the "golden path" through the middle of today's SaaS economy without having to train a replacement from your family like you're running an IT dept. tl;dr: Everyone keeps saying Google/Facebook/etc but I am talking about hosting your services with individual corps, not "all eggs in one basket" style.

by soneil 3y ago

ryandrake 3y ago

Yes, this is exactly where I was going with the TOS comment. To take this risk to the extreme: Imagine in the coming future, when every service you rely on or use comes from the same company, and any TOS violation or dispute on one of those services gets you banned from the rest of them. That's the world of hosted services we are slowly moving towards.

ok_dad 3y ago

I see, I guess I should have specified that I was talking more about email services like Fastmail, where you are just paying for email and if you break the TOS you probably were doing something absolutely bone-headed, and if not then you can just move your domain easily and take your email backups to another provider. Another example would be using some GUI or CLI utility and any generic S3 service to backup data, where you can move the backup to any S3 service you want to. I think that's a reasonable medium between losing everything because you put all your eggs in one basket with Google or with your HomeLab. Family can pretty easily pickup a Fastmail account and understand how to work it, and the same with a simple backup program on each computer plus S3 storage. I feel like this is the "golden path" through the middle of today's SaaS economy without having to train a replacement from your family like you're running an IT dept. tl;dr: Everyone keeps saying Google/Facebook/etc but I am talking about hosting your services with individual corps, not "all eggs in one basket" style.