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Who is in charge of tagging every bit of content so your filter works? And if the answer is "AI", then who trains it and with what data?

AnthonyMouse 3y ago
> Who is in charge of tagging every bit of content so your filter works? Whoever makes it? The entire premise is that anybody could make one, however they want, and people could choose the one that works best for them. Go create one that operates by manual curation if you want to. But here's an answer to this one: > And if the answer is "AI", then who trains it and with what data? You do. On a network where votes/ratings are public, make a filter that looks at how you vote, compares it to other users to find the users with the most similar tastes, and then shows you the things that they liked. Occasionally it shows you something generally popular or vaguely controversial at random to see if you like it and if you do it shows you more. This isn't even modern "AI", it's old school machine learning and statistics. And it works pretty well until bots figure out how to game it, and then you have to come up with a way to detect the bots, and it becomes a cat and mouse game. Which is why we need the evolutionary pressure on the other side. Have lots of different filter algorithms made by different people so the bots have to hit multiple targets at once, and users can pick the ones that are most effective at excluding them and don't get stuck with a crappy one they can't change because it's tied to the network itself.
- LadyCailin 3y ago
  We already have that. One is called 4chan, the other Reddit, the other truth social. And let’s not forget the actual public square. I don’t know why these being different platforms is a relevant detail, the users still have a vibrant level of choice.
  - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
    The users have no meaningful ability to move other users to a different platform: > Bob wants to open up his feed and see all the content he likes from Alice and Dave and Erin and Frank. If Alice goes somewhere else, Bob can follow her, but then Dave and Erin and Frank are still on the old site, and maybe Bob doesn't want to give that up, but the others don't even know that Alice exists and have no incentive to move. Why is it objectionable to you for Bob to have the ability to sort his feed differently than you?

AnthonyMouse 3y ago

> Who is in charge of tagging every bit of content so your filter works? Whoever makes it? The entire premise is that anybody could make one, however they want, and people could choose the one that works best for them. Go create one that operates by manual curation if you want to. But here's an answer to this one: > And if the answer is "AI", then who trains it and with what data? You do. On a network where votes/ratings are public, make a filter that looks at how you vote, compares it to other users to find the users with the most similar tastes, and then shows you the things that they liked. Occasionally it shows you something generally popular or vaguely controversial at random to see if you like it and if you do it shows you more. This isn't even modern "AI", it's old school machine learning and statistics. And it works pretty well until bots figure out how to game it, and then you have to come up with a way to detect the bots, and it becomes a cat and mouse game. Which is why we need the evolutionary pressure on the other side. Have lots of different filter algorithms made by different people so the bots have to hit multiple targets at once, and users can pick the ones that are most effective at excluding them and don't get stuck with a crappy one they can't change because it's tied to the network itself.

LadyCailin 3y ago
We already have that. One is called 4chan, the other Reddit, the other truth social. And let’s not forget the actual public square. I don’t know why these being different platforms is a relevant detail, the users still have a vibrant level of choice.
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  The users have no meaningful ability to move other users to a different platform: > Bob wants to open up his feed and see all the content he likes from Alice and Dave and Erin and Frank. If Alice goes somewhere else, Bob can follow her, but then Dave and Erin and Frank are still on the old site, and maybe Bob doesn't want to give that up, but the others don't even know that Alice exists and have no incentive to move. Why is it objectionable to you for Bob to have the ability to sort his feed differently than you?