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Isn't that pretty much all of clothing manufacturing?

snakeyjake 3y ago
100% of everything on my body right now and ~80% of everything in my wardrobe is made of the highest quality materials I can afford by US or EU labor, often by a unionized workforce. Shoes: New Balance 990v4 (USA). Socks: Darn Tough (USA). Jeans: Texas Jeans (USA). Undershirt: Sloane (USA). Underpants: Duckworth (USA). Shirt: Gitman (USA). The only non-US things I own tend to be shoes (Italy, Spain) and jackets (UK). Or gifts. YES it does cost more. But here's the thing: I have fewer, nicer, things that last longer and I almost certainly spend way less annually than someone buying $7 shirts from Shein or Walmart clothes. So, buying trash made of the worst possible materials by slave labor is a choice unless you are the poorest of the poor in which case you, and only you, get a pass.
- m2mdas2 3y ago
  Ah the exceptionalism, the trait suits to the privileged ones. Try doing it living with a minimum wage and you have my respect.
  - snakeyjake 3y ago
    Very few people make minimum wage. A single digit percentage of Americans. Keep on making excuses. If everyone who didn't make minimum wage spent more consciously instead of just gulping down cheap Chinese goods like a hungry hungry hippo eats marbles and shopped locally economies of scale would make higher quality products available to everyone. I don't participate in races to the bottom.
    - m2mdas2 3y ago
      I won't argue with you, just stating that minimum wage of SF is half of minimum wage set by govt. Your comment just proved my point.
      - m2mdas2 3y ago
        Oops it should be double instead of half.
    - pests 3y ago
      Your original comment was interesting, now this is just pretentious.
FireBeyond 3y ago
Even relative to other manufacturers in the same areas, Shein's quality (I don't pretend to be specifically informed re labor) of materials is "utter garbage".
- robocat 3y ago
  > "utter garbage" That feels like a rude stereotyping that is dismissive of the buyers. Maybe not your thing but no need to get judgy about it. The buyers know what they are getting. They choose to buy Shein for their own reasons - a good practice is to assume people have good reasons (maybe other reasons than the quality or reasons that you don't understand).
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    Oh! That was actually not intended to be dismissive of the buyers. It isn't my thing, as it happens, but I more mean that "even relative to other textile companies in China, Shein has a reputation for the lowest quality raw material/workmanship". As you say, "people know what they are getting", and that's fine.
    - robocat 3y ago
      Yeah, it interests me to know why people buy the things they do for reasons subconscious or influenced. I really don't understand some people's choices, but that's why it's interesting!
- herbst 3y ago
  This isn't really true tho. Shein ads over 10k of items every day, appearantly, and other than most shops they have many reviews on most popular items. It's kinda easy to pick the exact quality you are looking for as you have more or less unlimited choice. Saying it's just 'utter garbage' is to simple.
neom 3y ago
I'd imagine over 70% of ssense.com is either hand made in Europe or Japan/South Korea, most of it will be quality materials. https://en.adererror.com/product/sig-trs-tag-hoodie-zip-up-02/11518/category/1195/display/1/ https://en.adererror.com/product/sig-trs-tag-hoodie-zip-up-0... A hoodie like this could last you 10 years easily if you took care of it, made in South Korea, tripe weight cotton.
- deathanatos 3y ago
  … it's nearly $300. Pants on that site are $400–$500. That's expensive. A cheap Temu hoodie, by comparison, would need to make it a single year, maybe only 6–8 months, to have equivalent lifespan / $. (If priced at $25, or like $15.)

100% of everything on my body right now and ~80% of everything in my wardrobe is made of the highest quality materials I can afford by US or EU labor, often by a unionized workforce. Shoes: New Balance 990v4 (USA). Socks: Darn Tough (USA). Jeans: Texas Jeans (USA). Undershirt: Sloane (USA). Underpants: Duckworth (USA). Shirt: Gitman (USA). The only non-US things I own tend to be shoes (Italy, Spain) and jackets (UK). Or gifts. YES it does cost more. But here's the thing: I have fewer, nicer, things that last longer and I almost certainly spend way less annually than someone buying $7 shirts from Shein or Walmart clothes. So, buying trash made of the worst possible materials by slave labor is a choice unless you are the poorest of the poor in which case you, and only you, get a pass.

m2mdas2 3y ago
Ah the exceptionalism, the trait suits to the privileged ones. Try doing it living with a minimum wage and you have my respect.
- snakeyjake 3y ago
  Very few people make minimum wage. A single digit percentage of Americans. Keep on making excuses. If everyone who didn't make minimum wage spent more consciously instead of just gulping down cheap Chinese goods like a hungry hungry hippo eats marbles and shopped locally economies of scale would make higher quality products available to everyone. I don't participate in races to the bottom.
  - m2mdas2 3y ago
    I won't argue with you, just stating that minimum wage of SF is half of minimum wage set by govt. Your comment just proved my point.
    - m2mdas2 3y ago
      Oops it should be double instead of half.
  - pests 3y ago
    Your original comment was interesting, now this is just pretentious.

FireBeyond 3y ago

Even relative to other manufacturers in the same areas, Shein's quality (I don't pretend to be specifically informed re labor) of materials is "utter garbage".

robocat 3y ago
> "utter garbage" That feels like a rude stereotyping that is dismissive of the buyers. Maybe not your thing but no need to get judgy about it. The buyers know what they are getting. They choose to buy Shein for their own reasons - a good practice is to assume people have good reasons (maybe other reasons than the quality or reasons that you don't understand).
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Oh! That was actually not intended to be dismissive of the buyers. It isn't my thing, as it happens, but I more mean that "even relative to other textile companies in China, Shein has a reputation for the lowest quality raw material/workmanship". As you say, "people know what they are getting", and that's fine.
  - robocat 3y ago
    Yeah, it interests me to know why people buy the things they do for reasons subconscious or influenced. I really don't understand some people's choices, but that's why it's interesting!
herbst 3y ago
This isn't really true tho. Shein ads over 10k of items every day, appearantly, and other than most shops they have many reviews on most popular items. It's kinda easy to pick the exact quality you are looking for as you have more or less unlimited choice. Saying it's just 'utter garbage' is to simple.

neom 3y ago

I'd imagine over 70% of ssense.com is either hand made in Europe or Japan/South Korea, most of it will be quality materials. https://en.adererror.com/product/sig-trs-tag-hoodie-zip-up-02/11518/category/1195/display/1/ https://en.adererror.com/product/sig-trs-tag-hoodie-zip-up-0... A hoodie like this could last you 10 years easily if you took care of it, made in South Korea, tripe weight cotton.

deathanatos 3y ago
… it's nearly $300. Pants on that site are $400–$500. That's expensive. A cheap Temu hoodie, by comparison, would need to make it a single year, maybe only 6–8 months, to have equivalent lifespan / $. (If priced at $25, or like $15.)