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Ask HN: How do I report a SF startup that doesn't share salary in job postings?

8 points by AbstractH24 3y ago

In NYC its super easy. Not sure if does anything, but its at least easy to file a claim for the record books. Can find where on the CA website to do it.

xeckr 3y ago
Just contact the startup.
solardev 3y ago
TLDR this form, under "Equal Pay Act" claim: https://dir.tfaforms.net/327 https://dir.tfaforms.net/327 ------------- In case you don't trust "tfaforms.net" # 327 to be the official source, here's some details... First, this news site interviews a few gov officials, who say to contact a Department of Industrial Relations field office: https://calmatters.org/economy/2023/03/california-pay-transparency-law-2/ https://calmatters.org/economy/2023/03/california-pay-transp... > What can you do if you see a job posting that you think violates the law? > You can bring it to the attention of the labor commissioner by contacting any field office [https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/DistrictOffices.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/DistrictOffices.htm], either in person, over the phone (833-525-4635), or via email, said [DIR Public Information Officer Paola Laverde]. This can be done anonymously. > Laverde also said that people can file retaliation complaints [https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/howtofileretaliationcomplaint.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/howtofileretaliationcomplaint.ht...] anonymously if they are alleging violations of the part of the law that requires pay scales in job postings. However, the retaliation complaint form seems to require a first and last name. CalMatters has asked the department how people wishing to file a complaint anonymously should proceed and awaits a response. That last site links to a direct form where you can submit an "Equal Pay Act" complaint: https://dir.tfaforms.net/327 https://dir.tfaforms.net/327, but it's hosted on a third party forms site. Equal Pay Act FAQ #29 clarifies that this is indeed relevant to the pay scale disclosure in job postings: https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/California_Equal_Pay_Act.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/California_Equal_Pay_Act.htm
- AbstractH24 3y ago
  Ok, that form didn't seem to be regarding job postings and wages. I thought there must be something else. Thanks
  - solardev 3y ago
    Did you read the rest of my comment, especially the FAQ # 29 (https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/California_Equal_Pay_Act.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/California_Equal_Pay_Act.htm) where it says: > 29. Is an employer required to include the pay scale on job postings? As of January 1, 2023, an employer with 15 or more employees must include the pay scale for a position in any job posting. If an employer with 15 or more employees engages a third party to announce, post, publish, or otherwise make known a job posting it must provide the pay scale to the third party and the third party must include it within the job posting. The Labor Commissioner interprets this to mean that the pay scale must be included within the job posting if the position may ever be filled in California, either in-person or remotely. That's a FAQ for the from the DIR, as recommended by their own Public Information Officer, who specifically suggested that you fill out that form for pay scale transparency violations. -------- If you don't trust that news article where this information comes from, here is the actual law: https://law.justia.com/codes/california/2022/code-lab/division-2/part-1/chapter-3/article-3/section-432-3/ https://law.justia.com/codes/california/2022/code-lab/divisi... The complaint procedure written into the law just says to talk to the Labor Commissioner. That still goes through the DIR, but there is a more general complaint form if you prefer: https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/HowToReportViolationtoBOFE.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/HowToReportViolationtoBOFE.htm So it's up to you whether you want to use the more general form, the more specific one recommended by their PIO, or just contact a field office and talk to a live person who works there to make sure.
infamouscow 3y ago
How about just shame them publicly here -- that is the most effective way to effect change. They will have plenty more mistakes along the way if they ever become successful, so don't feel bad.
- solardev 3y ago
  There's a startup that's actually hiring in SF? Doubt they'll get shamed much right now, probably just get another thousand applicants emailing their resumes, lol... =/
  - AbstractH24 3y ago
    I thought things were bouncing back out there? Do some degree they have started to in NYC.
    - solardev 3y ago
      I'm not in SF, so can't say for sure. Family there just got laid off, and other friends on the West Coast have been unemployed for half a year now. It feels very different to me than a couple years ago, but that's really just anecdotal.

8 points by AbstractH24 3y ago

In NYC its super easy. Not sure if does anything, but its at least easy to file a claim for the record books. Can find where on the CA website to do it.

xeckr 3y ago

Just contact the startup.

solardev 3y ago

TLDR this form, under "Equal Pay Act" claim: https://dir.tfaforms.net/327 https://dir.tfaforms.net/327 ------------- In case you don't trust "tfaforms.net" # 327 to be the official source, here's some details... First, this news site interviews a few gov officials, who say to contact a Department of Industrial Relations field office: https://calmatters.org/economy/2023/03/california-pay-transparency-law-2/ https://calmatters.org/economy/2023/03/california-pay-transp... > What can you do if you see a job posting that you think violates the law? > You can bring it to the attention of the labor commissioner by contacting any field office [https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/DistrictOffices.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/DistrictOffices.htm], either in person, over the phone (833-525-4635), or via email, said [DIR Public Information Officer Paola Laverde]. This can be done anonymously. > Laverde also said that people can file retaliation complaints [https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/howtofileretaliationcomplaint.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/howtofileretaliationcomplaint.ht...] anonymously if they are alleging violations of the part of the law that requires pay scales in job postings. However, the retaliation complaint form seems to require a first and last name. CalMatters has asked the department how people wishing to file a complaint anonymously should proceed and awaits a response. That last site links to a direct form where you can submit an "Equal Pay Act" complaint: https://dir.tfaforms.net/327 https://dir.tfaforms.net/327, but it's hosted on a third party forms site. Equal Pay Act FAQ #29 clarifies that this is indeed relevant to the pay scale disclosure in job postings: https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/California_Equal_Pay_Act.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/California_Equal_Pay_Act.htm

AbstractH24 3y ago
Ok, that form didn't seem to be regarding job postings and wages. I thought there must be something else. Thanks
- solardev 3y ago
  Did you read the rest of my comment, especially the FAQ # 29 (https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/California_Equal_Pay_Act.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/California_Equal_Pay_Act.htm) where it says: > 29. Is an employer required to include the pay scale on job postings? As of January 1, 2023, an employer with 15 or more employees must include the pay scale for a position in any job posting. If an employer with 15 or more employees engages a third party to announce, post, publish, or otherwise make known a job posting it must provide the pay scale to the third party and the third party must include it within the job posting. The Labor Commissioner interprets this to mean that the pay scale must be included within the job posting if the position may ever be filled in California, either in-person or remotely. That's a FAQ for the from the DIR, as recommended by their own Public Information Officer, who specifically suggested that you fill out that form for pay scale transparency violations. -------- If you don't trust that news article where this information comes from, here is the actual law: https://law.justia.com/codes/california/2022/code-lab/division-2/part-1/chapter-3/article-3/section-432-3/ https://law.justia.com/codes/california/2022/code-lab/divisi... The complaint procedure written into the law just says to talk to the Labor Commissioner. That still goes through the DIR, but there is a more general complaint form if you prefer: https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/HowToReportViolationtoBOFE.htm https://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/HowToReportViolationtoBOFE.htm So it's up to you whether you want to use the more general form, the more specific one recommended by their PIO, or just contact a field office and talk to a live person who works there to make sure.

infamouscow 3y ago

How about just shame them publicly here -- that is the most effective way to effect change. They will have plenty more mistakes along the way if they ever become successful, so don't feel bad.

solardev 3y ago
There's a startup that's actually hiring in SF? Doubt they'll get shamed much right now, probably just get another thousand applicants emailing their resumes, lol... =/
- AbstractH24 3y ago
  I thought things were bouncing back out there? Do some degree they have started to in NYC.
  - solardev 3y ago
    I'm not in SF, so can't say for sure. Family there just got laid off, and other friends on the West Coast have been unemployed for half a year now. It feels very different to me than a couple years ago, but that's really just anecdotal.