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Yuzu is open source isn’t it? Nintendo can’t be completely incompetent here; if they get Yuzu shut down someone will inevitably fork it, and they have to know

Yuzu is open source isn’t it? Nintendo can’t be completely incompetent here; if they get Yuzu shut down someone will inevitably fork it, and they have to know this. Presumably this is a play to try and establish precedent. They know that this lawsuit means nothing in itself, even if they win, but it can then be used to go after Retroarch or Higan or Mupen64 or Dolphin. This is bad.

catwoe 3y ago
I honestly cannot wrap my head around the need for an LLC. It's an open source project, why would you need a company?
- tombert 3y ago
  IANAL, but if there's a risk of being sued by a big corporation because you're making a product that they believe is stealing from them, wouldn't it make sense to shield yourself personally from being sued? Like, if I write a piece of software that does something innocuous, such as indexing files or something, then I probably wouldn't bother getting any kind of LLC, but I'm very unlikely to get sued over that. Nintendo, however, is famously litigious, has made their stance on emulation very clear, and has no problem going after individuals who dare to defy them. I think doing all the development through an LLC can limit Nintendo going after the individuals.
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- Klonoar 3y ago
  If you’re accepting money somewhere, an LLC has potential advantages. It’s not an outlandish idea at all.
- frio 3y ago
  Open Source doesn't necessarily mean free of charge, but even when it does (most of the time), plenty of people still choose to pay for open source products today (eg. Red Hat). A product being open source doesn't mean the people working on it shouldn't be paid somehow; in particular, Yuzu do early releases and other closed-source-ish things (which is one of the reasons Nintendo is able to bring something to court here).
freedomben 3y ago
By ensuring there's no funding of the project, they can cripple it and ensure it will always be far behind the mainline product. It will also scare a lot of people off who don't want to risk getting wrapped up in a lawsuit for their weekend hobby
joemi 3y ago
> Presumably this is a play to try and establish precedent. Of course it's to establish precedent. They can't file a case against "Yuzu and any future Switch emulators that don't exist yet". But that doesn't mean that it means nothing in itself. A victory against an emulator would be somewhat of a deterrent and would likely reduce piracy somewhat, at least for a little while.
Root_Denied 3y ago
It's worse than bad, Nintendo's argument seems to boil down to "decryption = circumvention", even if you have a legit keys.prod file from your own system. The full text goes into detail about how Nintendo thinks that using a decrypted keys.prod file is circumventing their DRM. There's so many second and third order consequences from a legal precedent for that it boggles the mind, and I'd hope that any judge that understood that should dismiss this lawsuit with prejudice. My fear is that it goes the other way and an injunction is successfully put in place against Yuzu.

catwoe 3y ago

I honestly cannot wrap my head around the need for an LLC. It's an open source project, why would you need a company?

tombert 3y ago
IANAL, but if there's a risk of being sued by a big corporation because you're making a product that they believe is stealing from them, wouldn't it make sense to shield yourself personally from being sued? Like, if I write a piece of software that does something innocuous, such as indexing files or something, then I probably wouldn't bother getting any kind of LLC, but I'm very unlikely to get sued over that. Nintendo, however, is famously litigious, has made their stance on emulation very clear, and has no problem going after individuals who dare to defy them. I think doing all the development through an LLC can limit Nintendo going after the individuals.
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Klonoar 3y ago
If you’re accepting money somewhere, an LLC has potential advantages. It’s not an outlandish idea at all.
frio 3y ago
Open Source doesn't necessarily mean free of charge, but even when it does (most of the time), plenty of people still choose to pay for open source products today (eg. Red Hat). A product being open source doesn't mean the people working on it shouldn't be paid somehow; in particular, Yuzu do early releases and other closed-source-ish things (which is one of the reasons Nintendo is able to bring something to court here).

freedomben 3y ago

By ensuring there's no funding of the project, they can cripple it and ensure it will always be far behind the mainline product. It will also scare a lot of people off who don't want to risk getting wrapped up in a lawsuit for their weekend hobby

joemi 3y ago

> Presumably this is a play to try and establish precedent. Of course it's to establish precedent. They can't file a case against "Yuzu and any future Switch emulators that don't exist yet". But that doesn't mean that it means nothing in itself. A victory against an emulator would be somewhat of a deterrent and would likely reduce piracy somewhat, at least for a little while.

Root_Denied 3y ago

It's worse than bad, Nintendo's argument seems to boil down to "decryption = circumvention", even if you have a legit keys.prod file from your own system. The full text goes into detail about how Nintendo thinks that using a decrypted keys.prod file is circumventing their DRM. There's so many second and third order consequences from a legal precedent for that it boggles the mind, and I'd hope that any judge that understood that should dismiss this lawsuit with prejudice. My fear is that it goes the other way and an injunction is successfully put in place against Yuzu.