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Dude, The withdrawal occurred in 2021. Biden was president. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/16/biden-afghanistan-withdrawal-book https://www.thegu

Dude, The withdrawal occurred in 2021. Biden was president. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/16/biden-afghanistan-withdrawal-book https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/16/biden-afghanis...

withinboredom 3y ago
We all know when it happened, but it was ordered and scheduled by Trump. Biden actually stayed around six months past that point. By the time Biden took office, there was only a token force left there (in fact, Biden sent more troops). Source: I was in the military and had friends there.
- quantified 3y ago
  Smells like both. Trump made a bad deal, perhaps knowing he was able to leave a poisoned chalice behind. Once Biden came in, he should have reviewed it thoroughly and not gone along with it.
  - withinboredom 3y ago
    What do you think the consequences of breaking a valid treaty “because he felt like it” would be? What do you think the US’s allies would do? You can’t just renege on something because there was a changing of the guard. Not if you want to be a “world leader”. Anyway, under international law, you can’t exit a treaty so it wasn’t even an option. Where are you getting this nonsense?
    - quantified 3y ago
      I suppose the Iranian nuclear deal wasn't a treaty. Under international law lots of things aren't supposed to happen. Remember Iraq? Oops. How did the US's allies respond to leaving Afghanistan to the Taliban? "Because he felt like it"? Where are you getting this nonsense? If you were active military, and you were there, Afghanistan sucked. Sorry you got drawn into that.
    - tomohawk 3y ago
      A "valid treaty" would require Senate approval - it did not have that. It was an agreement, and the US was not bound by it after the Taliban violated it. They wouldn't have been bound to it in any case, because it was never approved by the Senate. There is no international police force or authority that the president is required to obey. Biden overruled his advisors and pursued this. His hands were not tied. He's proud he took this action, and has stated so many times.

withinboredom 3y ago

We all know when it happened, but it was ordered and scheduled by Trump. Biden actually stayed around six months past that point. By the time Biden took office, there was only a token force left there (in fact, Biden sent more troops). Source: I was in the military and had friends there.

quantified 3y ago
Smells like both. Trump made a bad deal, perhaps knowing he was able to leave a poisoned chalice behind. Once Biden came in, he should have reviewed it thoroughly and not gone along with it.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  What do you think the consequences of breaking a valid treaty “because he felt like it” would be? What do you think the US’s allies would do? You can’t just renege on something because there was a changing of the guard. Not if you want to be a “world leader”. Anyway, under international law, you can’t exit a treaty so it wasn’t even an option. Where are you getting this nonsense?
  - quantified 3y ago
    I suppose the Iranian nuclear deal wasn't a treaty. Under international law lots of things aren't supposed to happen. Remember Iraq? Oops. How did the US's allies respond to leaving Afghanistan to the Taliban? "Because he felt like it"? Where are you getting this nonsense? If you were active military, and you were there, Afghanistan sucked. Sorry you got drawn into that.
  - tomohawk 3y ago
    A "valid treaty" would require Senate approval - it did not have that. It was an agreement, and the US was not bound by it after the Taliban violated it. They wouldn't have been bound to it in any case, because it was never approved by the Senate. There is no international police force or authority that the president is required to obey. Biden overruled his advisors and pursued this. His hands were not tied. He's proud he took this action, and has stated so many times.