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Future of what? Reliable mass public transport is the best option for a sustainable future. We don't need car centric suburbia but with heavier and more expensi

Future of what? Reliable mass public transport is the best option for a sustainable future. We don't need car centric suburbia but with heavier and more expensive cars.

tumult 3y ago
Even if the US and other car-centric countries started a serious effort on that today, it would take decades. During which people continue to use gasoline cars, and emitting more CO2 we will need to undo in the future. Electric cars make sense right now regardless of your perspective on trains (I like trains, and dislike cars, and I am sympathetic)
- not2b 3y ago
  Electric cars make sense. Having Apple build electric cars, when they've never built anything like that before? That's far less clear.
  - tumult 3y ago
    I also agree with this.
wolverine876 3y ago
> Reliable mass public transport is the best option I agree, but I don't think that's actually going to replace cars and it doesn't serve everyone, such as the people who live far outside cities.
cmdli 3y ago
We already have car centric suburbia and its going to take decades to change that. We might as well switch to electric cars which are quieter and produce less air pollution rather than wait for thousands of homes to be rebuilt.
insane_dreamer 3y ago
except that mass public transportation is never going to happen on the needed scale in the US; electric cars is the next best thing and much preferable to the current status quo
- cagenut 3y ago
  you don't even need to agree on 'never' as 'not in the next 25 years' and 'never' both look the same for the timeframe we have to decarbonize personal transportation. whether we have a world of 3 billion cars (doubling) or a world of 750 million cars (halving) in 2050, they all need to be electric.
micromacrofoot 3y ago
I absolutely am on board with the idea... but reliable mass public transport requires an entire country of cities to be redesigned (this is in a country that struggles to get zoning laws changed to move from single to multi-family housing in many places), we'll have self-driving cars first. Hell, I think we'd get flying cars first. It's nearly impossible to touch anything that requires modifying suburbs or their streets, politically.

Future of what? Reliable mass public transport is the best option for a sustainable future. We don't need car centric suburbia but with heavier and more expensive cars.

tumult 3y ago

Even if the US and other car-centric countries started a serious effort on that today, it would take decades. During which people continue to use gasoline cars, and emitting more CO2 we will need to undo in the future. Electric cars make sense right now regardless of your perspective on trains (I like trains, and dislike cars, and I am sympathetic)

not2b 3y ago
Electric cars make sense. Having Apple build electric cars, when they've never built anything like that before? That's far less clear.
- tumult 3y ago
  I also agree with this.

wolverine876 3y ago

> Reliable mass public transport is the best option I agree, but I don't think that's actually going to replace cars and it doesn't serve everyone, such as the people who live far outside cities.

cmdli 3y ago

We already have car centric suburbia and its going to take decades to change that. We might as well switch to electric cars which are quieter and produce less air pollution rather than wait for thousands of homes to be rebuilt.

insane_dreamer 3y ago

except that mass public transportation is never going to happen on the needed scale in the US; electric cars is the next best thing and much preferable to the current status quo

cagenut 3y ago
you don't even need to agree on 'never' as 'not in the next 25 years' and 'never' both look the same for the timeframe we have to decarbonize personal transportation. whether we have a world of 3 billion cars (doubling) or a world of 750 million cars (halving) in 2050, they all need to be electric.

micromacrofoot 3y ago

I absolutely am on board with the idea... but reliable mass public transport requires an entire country of cities to be redesigned (this is in a country that struggles to get zoning laws changed to move from single to multi-family housing in many places), we'll have self-driving cars first. Hell, I think we'd get flying cars first. It's nearly impossible to touch anything that requires modifying suburbs or their streets, politically.