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Once everyone has an electric car and all farts have been smelled, maybe they'll realize they don't need a new car every year or 5.

bluGill 3y ago
Do you mean because cars last 12+ years if you take care of them? Or do you mean because we really need great transit since most of what people do with a car can be done on transit (you may still have a truck to tow the boat or whatever but that is a niche)
mdorazio 3y ago
They already realized that. New cars are owned for an average of 8 years before selling them [1] and that number has been increasing with the rise of new car prices. It’s one of the reasons the US peaked on new car sales in 2017 and might not get there again this decade. [1] https://www.iseecars.com/how-long-people-keep-cars-study https://www.iseecars.com/how-long-people-keep-cars-study
manquer 3y ago
Planned obsolescence that is how, we didn’t get today this without some conscious evil supervillain planning - from the time how long light bulbs lasted to apple reducing battery performance via software . What is stopping car companies to do something similar to car batteries for safety or performance reasons? It is far easier for a manufacturer to control a car and its lifetime with EV and modern ECU stack . They do not need to allow anyone else to access either . Even the RTR movement is more cautious in asking to be able modify road cars on the road, it is one thing to be able to repair your own tractor , it is another thing when the safety of others on the road . Automakers can get away with lot of things by citing safety .
- tnmom 3y ago
  > apple reducing battery performance via software Only because I think it’s a travesty when this dig goes unchallenged: Batteries get old and have voltage drop at high current; that is called physics. Chips reset below a design voltage; that is also called physics. Slower phones are better UX than rebooting under load. Next time, just say “I hate Apple” rather than repeating debunked stuff.
  - carpoolingpear 3y ago
    Had they serviceable batteries we'd have to do neither. Apple isn't exactly known for their repairability
  - zrn900 3y ago
    Those batteries seem to get old and have voltage drop at high current right at the exact time which Apple is about to launch a new device though...
    - PlunderBunny 3y ago
      My iPhone SE fell out of my pocket and shattered the screen on the day Apple launched the iPhone 12 Mini. Coincidence, … or not?
    - tnmom 3y ago
      You mean… once a year? Because yeah, over 8% of batteries will age out in the month Apple releases a new phone, even with a random distribution. The window in the normal person’s mind for “they’re doing this on purpose” is probably the month of the event announcement, plus the month the event happens in, and then the month afterwards is when the phones ship and friends start getting them. That’s a solid 25% of the year that would look suspicious to a conspiracy theorist.
  - jaredhallen 3y ago
    I've had a lot of different non-Apple smartphones over the last 15 years or so, and don't recall any of them ever rebooting under load, whether that be for as a result of "physics" or any other cause. Maybe I'm just remarkably lucky?
    - BenjiWiebe 3y ago
      I've experienced it a couple times on Androids. IME it goes very quickly from that stage to unusable when the battery is that far gone. Plus on one phone I noticed the cover bulging at that point too.
    - 3y ago
- danielbln 3y ago
  I used the change lightbulbs all the time, now they last forever. I can't even recall the last time a lightbulb went out on me, it must've been years.

bluGill 3y ago

Do you mean because cars last 12+ years if you take care of them? Or do you mean because we really need great transit since most of what people do with a car can be done on transit (you may still have a truck to tow the boat or whatever but that is a niche)

mdorazio 3y ago

They already realized that. New cars are owned for an average of 8 years before selling them [1] and that number has been increasing with the rise of new car prices. It’s one of the reasons the US peaked on new car sales in 2017 and might not get there again this decade. [1] https://www.iseecars.com/how-long-people-keep-cars-study https://www.iseecars.com/how-long-people-keep-cars-study

manquer 3y ago

Planned obsolescence that is how, we didn’t get today this without some conscious evil supervillain planning - from the time how long light bulbs lasted to apple reducing battery performance via software . What is stopping car companies to do something similar to car batteries for safety or performance reasons? It is far easier for a manufacturer to control a car and its lifetime with EV and modern ECU stack . They do not need to allow anyone else to access either . Even the RTR movement is more cautious in asking to be able modify road cars on the road, it is one thing to be able to repair your own tractor , it is another thing when the safety of others on the road . Automakers can get away with lot of things by citing safety .

tnmom 3y ago
> apple reducing battery performance via software Only because I think it’s a travesty when this dig goes unchallenged: Batteries get old and have voltage drop at high current; that is called physics. Chips reset below a design voltage; that is also called physics. Slower phones are better UX than rebooting under load. Next time, just say “I hate Apple” rather than repeating debunked stuff.
- carpoolingpear 3y ago
  Had they serviceable batteries we'd have to do neither. Apple isn't exactly known for their repairability
- zrn900 3y ago
  Those batteries seem to get old and have voltage drop at high current right at the exact time which Apple is about to launch a new device though...
  - PlunderBunny 3y ago
    My iPhone SE fell out of my pocket and shattered the screen on the day Apple launched the iPhone 12 Mini. Coincidence, … or not?
  - tnmom 3y ago
    You mean… once a year? Because yeah, over 8% of batteries will age out in the month Apple releases a new phone, even with a random distribution. The window in the normal person’s mind for “they’re doing this on purpose” is probably the month of the event announcement, plus the month the event happens in, and then the month afterwards is when the phones ship and friends start getting them. That’s a solid 25% of the year that would look suspicious to a conspiracy theorist.
- jaredhallen 3y ago
  I've had a lot of different non-Apple smartphones over the last 15 years or so, and don't recall any of them ever rebooting under load, whether that be for as a result of "physics" or any other cause. Maybe I'm just remarkably lucky?
  - BenjiWiebe 3y ago
    I've experienced it a couple times on Androids. IME it goes very quickly from that stage to unusable when the battery is that far gone. Plus on one phone I noticed the cover bulging at that point too.
  - 3y ago
danielbln 3y ago
I used the change lightbulbs all the time, now they last forever. I can't even recall the last time a lightbulb went out on me, it must've been years.