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Emacs survived because it adapted. LSPs are the new hotness? Here's the LSP mode for Emacs. VSCode emerged with a massive number of extensions? Here's Doom

Emacs survived because it adapted. LSPs are the new hotness? Here's the LSP mode for Emacs. VSCode emerged with a massive number of extensions? Here's Doom Emacs with declarative package management. Emacs continues to evolve to face new challenges. And hey, no editor does Emacs key bindings emulation as well as Emacs itself.

clircle 3y ago
Emacs key binding emulation? Only a special kind of masochist would want to use emacs keys more often.
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  Intellij hotkeys at least are a Ctrl+Alt+Shift nigthmare. Are Emacs keybinds really that bad? Well, I wouldn’t know anymore since I use Evil…
- chrsig 3y ago
  I don't want to, my fingers do it anyway. Send help please. Joke aside, the key bindings work in a lot of places outside of emacs, which unfortunately are slowly eroding away. Keybindings are all a crapshoot when it comes to working with different platforms though. macos is notably frustrating in this regard.
- dustfinger 3y ago
  It is nice to know that I am special ;-). Do I get extra points if I told you that I do it all on a custom mechanical plank keyboard with blank keycaps? Of course, I don't use emulation. My windows manager is exwm, so I do everything in emacs.
- tmtvl 3y ago
  Emacs keybinds are great. How do you move the cursor up, down, left, and right without them, the arrow keys? My pinky doesn't stretch that far, and if I have to move my hand I'm gonna lose time moving back because I need to find the articulation for my index finger. Vi bindings are even worse: you start typing and the text goes haywire because you're in the wrong mode.
uludag 3y ago
Emacs also seems to be adapting just fine to the LLM tooling as well.
- ParetoOptimal 3y ago
  Here is a very impressive and easy to follow demo of gptel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsRnh_brggM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsRnh_brggM
- ashton314 3y ago
  Seriously. Within a month, there were like five different packages that could interface with various LLMs.
  - xenodium 3y ago
    Here’s mine :) https://github.com/xenodium/chatgpt-shell https://github.com/xenodium/chatgpt-shell
    - TeMPOraL 3y ago
      Thank you for making it, I did use it quite a bit early on, and likely will again in the near future!
      - xenodium 3y ago
        Glad to hear it! Thanks! Try the experimental compose interface https://xenodium.com/a-chatgpt-shell-compose-ux-experiment https://xenodium.com/a-chatgpt-shell-compose-ux-experiment I found myself using it the majority of the time.
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    Though in true Lisp development fashion, they solved the easy and shiny 80% of the problem, leaving rest as an exercise to the reader :). I need to review the current state, but back about half a year ago, when I evaluated them all, I had a lot of "fun" getting them to talk to Azure OpenAI (instead of OpenAI). Or even to allow to override the system prompt. Granted, those were early GPT-4-by-invite-only days, but still. Still, the most important takeaways are that: - Emacs community can and does react quickly to any new development; - Sure, early on the packages may be somewhat half-baked, but it's not that hard to improve/fill in/fix them on your own, with config tweaks and maybe a pinch of simple Emacs Lisp code, even if you barely know anything about programming. That's in contrast to just about any other editor or program, where this is just not possible.
zitterbewegung 3y ago
Emacs is an operating system that people say it’s a text editor.

clircle 3y ago

Emacs key binding emulation? Only a special kind of masochist would want to use emacs keys more often.

avgcorrection 3y ago
Intellij hotkeys at least are a Ctrl+Alt+Shift nigthmare. Are Emacs keybinds really that bad? Well, I wouldn’t know anymore since I use Evil…
chrsig 3y ago
I don't want to, my fingers do it anyway. Send help please. Joke aside, the key bindings work in a lot of places outside of emacs, which unfortunately are slowly eroding away. Keybindings are all a crapshoot when it comes to working with different platforms though. macos is notably frustrating in this regard.
dustfinger 3y ago
It is nice to know that I am special ;-). Do I get extra points if I told you that I do it all on a custom mechanical plank keyboard with blank keycaps? Of course, I don't use emulation. My windows manager is exwm, so I do everything in emacs.
tmtvl 3y ago
Emacs keybinds are great. How do you move the cursor up, down, left, and right without them, the arrow keys? My pinky doesn't stretch that far, and if I have to move my hand I'm gonna lose time moving back because I need to find the articulation for my index finger. Vi bindings are even worse: you start typing and the text goes haywire because you're in the wrong mode.

uludag 3y ago

Emacs also seems to be adapting just fine to the LLM tooling as well.

ParetoOptimal 3y ago
Here is a very impressive and easy to follow demo of gptel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsRnh_brggM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsRnh_brggM
ashton314 3y ago
Seriously. Within a month, there were like five different packages that could interface with various LLMs.
- xenodium 3y ago
  Here’s mine :) https://github.com/xenodium/chatgpt-shell https://github.com/xenodium/chatgpt-shell
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    Thank you for making it, I did use it quite a bit early on, and likely will again in the near future!
    - xenodium 3y ago
      Glad to hear it! Thanks! Try the experimental compose interface https://xenodium.com/a-chatgpt-shell-compose-ux-experiment https://xenodium.com/a-chatgpt-shell-compose-ux-experiment I found myself using it the majority of the time.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  Though in true Lisp development fashion, they solved the easy and shiny 80% of the problem, leaving rest as an exercise to the reader :). I need to review the current state, but back about half a year ago, when I evaluated them all, I had a lot of "fun" getting them to talk to Azure OpenAI (instead of OpenAI). Or even to allow to override the system prompt. Granted, those were early GPT-4-by-invite-only days, but still. Still, the most important takeaways are that: - Emacs community can and does react quickly to any new development; - Sure, early on the packages may be somewhat half-baked, but it's not that hard to improve/fill in/fix them on your own, with config tweaks and maybe a pinch of simple Emacs Lisp code, even if you barely know anything about programming. That's in contrast to just about any other editor or program, where this is just not possible.

zitterbewegung 3y ago

Emacs is an operating system that people say it’s a text editor.