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>This was an idea that never made any sense to me. I mean, for Apple, it absolutely makes sense. Electric vehicles are relatively straightforward to make. Eve

>This was an idea that never made any sense to me. I mean, for Apple, it absolutely makes sense. Electric vehicles are relatively straightforward to make. Everyone and their mother are producing some sort of electric scooter/dirt bike these days with new companies popping up every month. Furthermore Tesla has proven that for a lot of people a car is simply an appliance. Apple could easily outsource most of the functional development and design and certification, and then focus on their core competency which is aesthetics and marketing and integration into iOS ecosystem, which would be a winning combo economically.

itsoktocry 3y ago
>Furthermore Tesla has proven that for a lot of people a car is simply an appliance. Interesting, it doesn't feel like this at all, to me. It seems that, relative to its market share, a lot of Tesla buyers make the brand part of their identity. Who "settles" on a Tesla when they don't care about what they drive?
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  Tesla has many faults to it. Poor materials, lack of general reliability (door handles getting stuck, spoilers getting stuck up), NVH issues, and so on. Many people don't really care that much about those issues though, as long as the core use of the car to get from point a to b is there, and being able to top up at home is convenient, and maintenance costs are way lower.
serjester 3y ago
Having worked at a car company, this is categorically false. Cars have thousands of moving parts (even EV's), are expected to operate reliably for a decade, represent the second most expensive thing most people will buy and any mistakes will kill people. If it were easy, we'd see a lot more profitable car companies.
- ActorNightly 3y ago
  >Cars have thousands of moving parts (even EV's) Take a car with 4 motors, 1 per wheel (which is the best arrangement). The total list of moving parts. - wheels - suspension linkage - driveshafts - brakes - pedals - windows - wipers - coolant pump - washer fluid pump - seats - frunk/trunk Thats the list of moving parts. Dunno where you got 1000 moving parts from. Most each one of those has reliable manufacturers that have figured out how to build them correctly.
  - serjester 3y ago
    You also have the cars power steering system, AC unit, tons of additional pumps, doors / locks / handles, relays, etc. Not to mention each of these parts has bearings, joints and brushings within it. Reliable manufactures? Auto suppliers are notorious for being unreliable - the supply chains are exceedingly complex, there's constant pressure to drive down cost and quality control lapses are a constant issue. Not to mention each vehicle has hundreds of different suppliers and an issue in any one of them will grind your manufacturing line to a standstill.

itsoktocry 3y ago

>Furthermore Tesla has proven that for a lot of people a car is simply an appliance. Interesting, it doesn't feel like this at all, to me. It seems that, relative to its market share, a lot of Tesla buyers make the brand part of their identity. Who "settles" on a Tesla when they don't care about what they drive?

ActorNightly 3y ago
Tesla has many faults to it. Poor materials, lack of general reliability (door handles getting stuck, spoilers getting stuck up), NVH issues, and so on. Many people don't really care that much about those issues though, as long as the core use of the car to get from point a to b is there, and being able to top up at home is convenient, and maintenance costs are way lower.

serjester 3y ago

Having worked at a car company, this is categorically false. Cars have thousands of moving parts (even EV's), are expected to operate reliably for a decade, represent the second most expensive thing most people will buy and any mistakes will kill people. If it were easy, we'd see a lot more profitable car companies.

ActorNightly 3y ago
>Cars have thousands of moving parts (even EV's) Take a car with 4 motors, 1 per wheel (which is the best arrangement). The total list of moving parts. - wheels - suspension linkage - driveshafts - brakes - pedals - windows - wipers - coolant pump - washer fluid pump - seats - frunk/trunk Thats the list of moving parts. Dunno where you got 1000 moving parts from. Most each one of those has reliable manufacturers that have figured out how to build them correctly.
- serjester 3y ago
  You also have the cars power steering system, AC unit, tons of additional pumps, doors / locks / handles, relays, etc. Not to mention each of these parts has bearings, joints and brushings within it. Reliable manufactures? Auto suppliers are notorious for being unreliable - the supply chains are exceedingly complex, there's constant pressure to drive down cost and quality control lapses are a constant issue. Not to mention each vehicle has hundreds of different suppliers and an issue in any one of them will grind your manufacturing line to a standstill.