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Yes, but that would more appropriately be called cultural identity or nationalism, it isn't race-based. The English and the French and many other European count

by codexb 3y ago

Yes, but that would more appropriately be called cultural identity or nationalism, it isn't race-based. The English and the French and many other European countries each have very strong cultural identities. The French would equally oppose abandoning their own culture for English, or Japanese, or African cultures.

TeMPOraL 3y ago
> but that would more appropriately be called cultural identity or nationalism, it isn't race-based Correct. Unfortunately, the modern Internet meaning of the world "racism" encompasses everything, from actual racism, through ethnic, cultural, national differences, all the way to differences of opinion. In their original comment, 'api seems to have been using this extended meaning. (My attempt at understanding this phenomenon: US is a boiling pot of nationalities, cultures and races from around the world; those distinctions end up blending together. In contrast, the rest of the world, and Europe in particular, had and has geographically-separated nations and cultures, and much less local population variety.) For example, the reason documentaries in the 80s or 90s would, "When they wanted to convey the problem they always showed the same sorts of shots: seething hordes of mostly black and brown people in places like India and Africa. Meanwhile the scientists and other experts interviewed to argue the Malthusian case were almost entirely white men." - that's, IMO, not because of some innate racist views. Rather, it was showing what was familiar and accurate - the academic world in the US was predominantly male and white, while India and Africa were where international aid went. Nothing to do with race, everything to do with what the audience recognizes as the major high population societies suffering from starvation-level poverty.

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Yes, but that would more appropriately be called cultural identity or nationalism, it isn't race-based. The English and the French and many other European count

by codexb 3y ago

TeMPOraL 3y ago
> but that would more appropriately be called cultural identity or nationalism, it isn't race-based Correct. Unfortunately, the modern Internet meaning of the world "racism" encompasses everything, from actual racism, through ethnic, cultural, national differences, all the way to differences of opinion. In their original comment, 'api seems to have been using this extended meaning. (My attempt at understanding this phenomenon: US is a boiling pot of nationalities, cultures and races from around the world; those distinctions end up blending together. In contrast, the rest of the world, and Europe in particular, had and has geographically-separated nations and cultures, and much less local population variety.) For example, the reason documentaries in the 80s or 90s would, "When they wanted to convey the problem they always showed the same sorts of shots: seething hordes of mostly black and brown people in places like India and Africa. Meanwhile the scientists and other experts interviewed to argue the Malthusian case were almost entirely white men." - that's, IMO, not because of some innate racist views. Rather, it was showing what was familiar and accurate - the academic world in the US was predominantly male and white, while India and Africa were where international aid went. Nothing to do with race, everything to do with what the audience recognizes as the major high population societies suffering from starvation-level poverty.