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I, personally, worry more about a Google algorithm deciding I'm trying to hack my own account, a la https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34116361 https://news.y

I, personally, worry more about a Google algorithm deciding I'm trying to hack my own account, a la https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34116361 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34116361 / https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31681221 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31681221 , than I do about a ToS violation.

vkou 3y ago
Sure. TOS isn't the only risk factor. I still think you're far more likely to die (or suffer some other situation where you're unable to properly maintain your homebrew house of cards) before you experience it in your lifetime. If it's your hobby, that's great, its a productive way to stay busy, and it teaches you things! But in long-term use, if I inherited a home-built dishwasher from my dad, or my spouse, I'd probably just junk it and buy a Bosch at the first sign of trouble from it.
- livueta 3y ago
  I agree that sticking with an unmaintained house of cards isn't a great idea, and I agree that fully self-hosted email is pretty likely to be jank in one way or another - I'm just trying to push back a little on two ideas floating around in this thread: 1) any deviation from the fully-hosted happy path is necessarily a house of cards and 2) the fully-hosted happy path doesn't have risks of its own Specifically, I have a domain prepaid for a decade pointing at a mail host prepaid for a decade. I've had this setup for decades and it has literally never broken. In this timeframe I and many friends and family been locked out of Google accounts for one reason or another. If I had to bet money on a family member's ability to access this setup after I have an unscheduled meeting with a bus, vs. their ability to maintain access to a Google account, I'd bet on my setup, not least because that setup involves actual (pre)paid support. So yeah - house of cards bad, but some degree of control doesn't have to mean house of cards. I think we're mostly in agreement - just wanted to try to outline where I'm coming from a little more specifically.

vkou 3y ago

Sure. TOS isn't the only risk factor. I still think you're far more likely to die (or suffer some other situation where you're unable to properly maintain your homebrew house of cards) before you experience it in your lifetime. If it's your hobby, that's great, its a productive way to stay busy, and it teaches you things! But in long-term use, if I inherited a home-built dishwasher from my dad, or my spouse, I'd probably just junk it and buy a Bosch at the first sign of trouble from it.

livueta 3y ago
I agree that sticking with an unmaintained house of cards isn't a great idea, and I agree that fully self-hosted email is pretty likely to be jank in one way or another - I'm just trying to push back a little on two ideas floating around in this thread: 1) any deviation from the fully-hosted happy path is necessarily a house of cards and 2) the fully-hosted happy path doesn't have risks of its own Specifically, I have a domain prepaid for a decade pointing at a mail host prepaid for a decade. I've had this setup for decades and it has literally never broken. In this timeframe I and many friends and family been locked out of Google accounts for one reason or another. If I had to bet money on a family member's ability to access this setup after I have an unscheduled meeting with a bus, vs. their ability to maintain access to a Google account, I'd bet on my setup, not least because that setup involves actual (pre)paid support. So yeah - house of cards bad, but some degree of control doesn't have to mean house of cards. I think we're mostly in agreement - just wanted to try to outline where I'm coming from a little more specifically.