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Honestly, I think this whole thing is blown over. Gemini has a huge reach, so they played it safe by doing the same thing OpenAI has been doing (system instruct

Honestly, I think this whole thing is blown over. Gemini has a huge reach, so they played it safe by doing the same thing OpenAI has been doing (system instructions for their AI services like GPT-4) and tried to max out diversity. This decision is juicy bait for anyone who believes that America is in some culture war. This is unsurprising if you live in America and are subjected to extremely high levels of marketing and polarizing headlines. Please note: I think it is clear that the Gemini models still need work to be historically representative and accurate, however, I do not think there is any real danger in airing with the side of caution and trying to fight the innate biases in the training data. It seems like this was Google's goal.

rayiner 3y ago
I don’t think you need to lean into some “culture war” to think it’s deeply weird that Google engineered their AI product to change what you type into the prompt so it changes the races of people depicted in the results. That displays an unhealthy fixation with race. I ran this by my 70-year old immigrant parents—who are Democrats and by no means culture-war people—and they found this very cringeworthy (not that they even know what “cringe” is—that’s the closest translation of their reaction in English).
- freedomben 3y ago
  Don't feel obligated to share if you're not comfortable, but what country/ethnicity are your parents from?
  - hollerith 3y ago
    Bangladesh.
    - EchoChamberMan 3y ago
      You have two accounts, or you're posting a reply for someone else?! Do they know you're sharing personal info?!
      - hollerith 3y ago
        He's shared the fact on this site more than once. If he is in any way annoyed or harmed by my sharing it, I hope he will let me know.
        EchoChamberMan 3y ago
        Thank goodness.
        rayiner 3y ago
        I don’t mind I mention it all the time.
- tptacek 3y ago
  I think virtually everybody finds this cringeworthy. It's a cringe topic even in the People's Republic of Oak Park.
- deleted 3y ago
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keneda7 3y ago
>> however, I do not think there is any real danger in airing with the side of caution and trying to fight the innate biases in the training data. It seems like this was Google's goal. Could you please provide evidence of this being google goal? From everything I have seen, from the posts of google employees who worked on it, to Geminis own responses, they were being racist against white people. In fact considering google retains so much power over your average person I believe it would be considered systemic racist. To claim it is being overblown to me sounds like you are trying to say this form of racism is okay.
theGnuMe 3y ago
I get real Citizen Kane vibes from the tweets of select billionaires.
nickpsecurity 3y ago
There’s a huge number of businesses, colleges, and government officials pushing policies rooted in far-left, liberal thinking like CRT. They also often censor or cancel those who disagree whether majority or minority members. They systematically discriminate via DEI in hiring, promotions, and grants. Google itself has a CDO that was just bragging about hiring non-whites in a news story. People like them seem to hate and always work against specific groups while loving and benefiting their favored groups. World Economic Forum pushes it with a list of huge companies that align with their initiatives. They bragged even movie makers do that like how they put LGBT and feminism into as many movies as possible, and hire some directors whose only success was feminist movies. Meta has DEI pages, a page giving money to feminists to push their theories, and their writing on alignment looks like others I just mentioned. So, yeah, there’s definitely a culture war going on. We had values, policies, etc that worked well. These companies often existed and got successful because of that kind of thinking. Starting in liberal universities (often cultural Marxism), people with different concepts are getting into positions of power. These concepts wrecked many prior countries but their proponents want to force them on everyone else. Every now and then, you see clear evidence of what they do leak into the media. In this case, some of those racists at Google probably programmed the AI to reduce white males or increase those in favored groups (“diversity”). Then, it started doing the same kinds of things its creators would promote in mass media, but in a dumber, obvious way. Nobody should depend on AI’s designed by people who may hate or seek to minimize specific groups. God created everyone in His image, told us to love them all, there’s “neither Jew nor Greek” now, and justice is rewarding any who work for that reward. People need to drop this stuff in favor of non-discriminating practices.

rayiner 3y ago

I don’t think you need to lean into some “culture war” to think it’s deeply weird that Google engineered their AI product to change what you type into the prompt so it changes the races of people depicted in the results. That displays an unhealthy fixation with race. I ran this by my 70-year old immigrant parents—who are Democrats and by no means culture-war people—and they found this very cringeworthy (not that they even know what “cringe” is—that’s the closest translation of their reaction in English).

freedomben 3y ago
Don't feel obligated to share if you're not comfortable, but what country/ethnicity are your parents from?
- hollerith 3y ago
  Bangladesh.
  - EchoChamberMan 3y ago
    You have two accounts, or you're posting a reply for someone else?! Do they know you're sharing personal info?!
    - hollerith 3y ago
      He's shared the fact on this site more than once. If he is in any way annoyed or harmed by my sharing it, I hope he will let me know.
      - EchoChamberMan 3y ago
        Thank goodness.
      - rayiner 3y ago
        I don’t mind I mention it all the time.
tptacek 3y ago
I think virtually everybody finds this cringeworthy. It's a cringe topic even in the People's Republic of Oak Park.
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keneda7 3y ago

>> however, I do not think there is any real danger in airing with the side of caution and trying to fight the innate biases in the training data. It seems like this was Google's goal. Could you please provide evidence of this being google goal? From everything I have seen, from the posts of google employees who worked on it, to Geminis own responses, they were being racist against white people. In fact considering google retains so much power over your average person I believe it would be considered systemic racist. To claim it is being overblown to me sounds like you are trying to say this form of racism is okay.

theGnuMe 3y ago

I get real Citizen Kane vibes from the tweets of select billionaires.

nickpsecurity 3y ago

There’s a huge number of businesses, colleges, and government officials pushing policies rooted in far-left, liberal thinking like CRT. They also often censor or cancel those who disagree whether majority or minority members. They systematically discriminate via DEI in hiring, promotions, and grants. Google itself has a CDO that was just bragging about hiring non-whites in a news story. People like them seem to hate and always work against specific groups while loving and benefiting their favored groups. World Economic Forum pushes it with a list of huge companies that align with their initiatives. They bragged even movie makers do that like how they put LGBT and feminism into as many movies as possible, and hire some directors whose only success was feminist movies. Meta has DEI pages, a page giving money to feminists to push their theories, and their writing on alignment looks like others I just mentioned. So, yeah, there’s definitely a culture war going on. We had values, policies, etc that worked well. These companies often existed and got successful because of that kind of thinking. Starting in liberal universities (often cultural Marxism), people with different concepts are getting into positions of power. These concepts wrecked many prior countries but their proponents want to force them on everyone else. Every now and then, you see clear evidence of what they do leak into the media. In this case, some of those racists at Google probably programmed the AI to reduce white males or increase those in favored groups (“diversity”). Then, it started doing the same kinds of things its creators would promote in mass media, but in a dumber, obvious way. Nobody should depend on AI’s designed by people who may hate or seek to minimize specific groups. God created everyone in His image, told us to love them all, there’s “neither Jew nor Greek” now, and justice is rewarding any who work for that reward. People need to drop this stuff in favor of non-discriminating practices.