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There is no two ways about it - this is great news. Even if the US bails on NATO (sadly very much in the realm of possibility), having both Sweden and Finland a

There is no two ways about it - this is great news. Even if the US bails on NATO (sadly very much in the realm of possibility), having both Sweden and Finland as members will help protect the Baltic.

libertine 3y ago
The next step has to be the development of nuclear deterrence, and this isn't much of a signal to Russia but to the US. These past months has shown the US as a volatile and unreliable partner. While it may sound dramatic it's about time Europe has it's own defense systems and deterrence capabilities.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
  What about the last months specifically?
  - netsharc 3y ago
    I guess it should've been since 2016. The US lost shedloads of leadership and credibility, how can friends or foes do any deal with a nation when in 4 years someone can come along and shred it apart (the big example here is the Iran deal), until then at least the country was a sane and reliable actor, for 4 years it became an unhinged country...
  - T-A 3y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/26/putin-ukraine-aid-jake-sullivan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/26/putin-ukraine-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/14/nato-chief-rebukes-donald-trump-and-announces-record-defence-spending https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/14/nato-chief-reb...
- ianburrell 3y ago
  Europe has a nuclear deterrent. France and UK have their own nuclear weapons and ballistic missile submarines.
  - labrador 3y ago
    Effective deterance is a triad of land, sea and air. The US has stealthy nuclear bombers, land based missle silos and nuclear submarines.
    - Log_out_ 3y ago
      Effective deterrence is a nuke in every country that borders a imperial system. Latvia, Ukraine, Taiwan, sk.
  - credit_guy 3y ago
    Small nitpick, but the UK shares its SLBMs with the US.
  - libertine 3y ago
    Clearly more countries need more nukes, everyone is getting more nukes, why can't Germany and Poland get their own arsenal?

There is no two ways about it - this is great news. Even if the US bails on NATO (sadly very much in the realm of possibility), having both Sweden and Finland as members will help protect the Baltic.

libertine 3y ago

The next step has to be the development of nuclear deterrence, and this isn't much of a signal to Russia but to the US. These past months has shown the US as a volatile and unreliable partner. While it may sound dramatic it's about time Europe has it's own defense systems and deterrence capabilities.

HeatrayEnjoyer 3y ago
What about the last months specifically?
- netsharc 3y ago
  I guess it should've been since 2016. The US lost shedloads of leadership and credibility, how can friends or foes do any deal with a nation when in 4 years someone can come along and shred it apart (the big example here is the Iran deal), until then at least the country was a sane and reliable actor, for 4 years it became an unhinged country...
- T-A 3y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/26/putin-ukraine-aid-jake-sullivan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/26/putin-ukraine-... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/14/nato-chief-rebukes-donald-trump-and-announces-record-defence-spending https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/14/nato-chief-reb...
ianburrell 3y ago
Europe has a nuclear deterrent. France and UK have their own nuclear weapons and ballistic missile submarines.
- labrador 3y ago
  Effective deterance is a triad of land, sea and air. The US has stealthy nuclear bombers, land based missle silos and nuclear submarines.
  - Log_out_ 3y ago
    Effective deterrence is a nuke in every country that borders a imperial system. Latvia, Ukraine, Taiwan, sk.
- credit_guy 3y ago
  Small nitpick, but the UK shares its SLBMs with the US.
- libertine 3y ago
  Clearly more countries need more nukes, everyone is getting more nukes, why can't Germany and Poland get their own arsenal?