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Parking spaces by definition benefit people who drive, which usually means someone well out of walking distance. That leads to some interesting dynamics where p

by acdha 3y ago

Parking spaces by definition benefit people who drive, which usually means someone well out of walking distance. That leads to some interesting dynamics where people who are enough richer to have nice separated homes use their social status to demand parking everywhere even though the main thing people near those spaces get out of it is negative health impacts. One interesting angle involves small businesses: you’ll often see owners interviewed complaining about losing parking spaces. This makes no sense for a local business, and there are decades of studies showing that pedestrian/transit/bike traffic generates more revenue for small businesses (if you’re already in the car, you’re probably continuing to a big store) but it makes total sense when you realize that the owners are far more likely to live out in the suburbs and are making the mistake of assuming this is also true of their customers. There’s a staple in some city planning debates of noting that the people complaining loudest about how their customers won’t stop if they can’t park right in front are often leaving their own cars in those spaces all day.

devilbunny 3y ago
> pedestrian/transit/bike traffic generates more revenue for small businesses Sure, if you have a walkable/transitable/bikeable city. If you don't, then losing parking spaces can be an issue. I would have to walk for 24 Google Maps minutes to get to the nearest store of any kind. And I'm close; people farther down the main road that feeds my street could face almost an hour's walk each way (with no sidewalks or shoulders; you're walking in a ditch) to get to the same place. Several large hills along that route and a hot, muggy climate means that nobody is going to bike it. My niece, from Colorado, came to visit her grandfather (my dad). She wanted to go for a hike in the South in July. I said sure, I'll take you. Five minutes into it, she said, "Now I know why everyone is fat here. This is miserable." And my reply was "Yes, and this isn't as hot or as humid as it gets. It's actually not that bad today."
- acdha 3y ago
  We’re talking in the context of cities so I was only referring to more dense scenarios. I agree that rural or really low-density suburban communities are different. The key point is really just the function of distance: people who live near a small shop will go there due to convenience. If it’s far enough to need a car, they’ll probably keep going to a bigger shop with lower prices because the cost of having and using the car is already incurred and the cost of doing anything else is greater.
- TulliusCicero 3y ago
  > Sure, if you have a walkable/transitable/bikeable city. If you don't, then losing parking spaces can be an issue. But a huge part of what makes cities terrible for walking/biking/transit is having too much parking. Shop entrances being right next to the sidewalk is ENORMOUSLY more pleasant for pedestrians compared to needing to walk across a veritable sea of asphalt, as is the case in typical American strip malls and similar developments. > I would have to walk for 24 Google Maps minutes to get to the nearest store of any kind. Probably a zoning/density issue. We've intentionally designed our cities to be shit for walking and to our credit we've succeeded enormously. > Five minutes into it, she said, "Now I know why everyone is fat here. This is miserable." And my reply was "Yes, and this isn't as hot or as humid as it gets. It's actually not that bad today." Nope, that's not it at all. The American South has a somewhat similar climate to Japan, and even the warmer parts of Japan have way skinnier people. I lived in Alabama for a couple years, and I'd say it's mostly just transportation design and culture around eating. I biked a bunch in Alabama and it was fucking terrible. That shit sucked. Granted, biking almost anywhere in the US is pretty bad, but Alabama was definitely worse than some of the other places I lived, and infrastructure was the biggest part of that.

by acdha 3y ago

devilbunny 3y ago

> pedestrian/transit/bike traffic generates more revenue for small businesses Sure, if you have a walkable/transitable/bikeable city. If you don't, then losing parking spaces can be an issue. I would have to walk for 24 Google Maps minutes to get to the nearest store of any kind. And I'm close; people farther down the main road that feeds my street could face almost an hour's walk each way (with no sidewalks or shoulders; you're walking in a ditch) to get to the same place. Several large hills along that route and a hot, muggy climate means that nobody is going to bike it. My niece, from Colorado, came to visit her grandfather (my dad). She wanted to go for a hike in the South in July. I said sure, I'll take you. Five minutes into it, she said, "Now I know why everyone is fat here. This is miserable." And my reply was "Yes, and this isn't as hot or as humid as it gets. It's actually not that bad today."

acdha 3y ago
We’re talking in the context of cities so I was only referring to more dense scenarios. I agree that rural or really low-density suburban communities are different. The key point is really just the function of distance: people who live near a small shop will go there due to convenience. If it’s far enough to need a car, they’ll probably keep going to a bigger shop with lower prices because the cost of having and using the car is already incurred and the cost of doing anything else is greater.
TulliusCicero 3y ago
> Sure, if you have a walkable/transitable/bikeable city. If you don't, then losing parking spaces can be an issue. But a huge part of what makes cities terrible for walking/biking/transit is having too much parking. Shop entrances being right next to the sidewalk is ENORMOUSLY more pleasant for pedestrians compared to needing to walk across a veritable sea of asphalt, as is the case in typical American strip malls and similar developments. > I would have to walk for 24 Google Maps minutes to get to the nearest store of any kind. Probably a zoning/density issue. We've intentionally designed our cities to be shit for walking and to our credit we've succeeded enormously. > Five minutes into it, she said, "Now I know why everyone is fat here. This is miserable." And my reply was "Yes, and this isn't as hot or as humid as it gets. It's actually not that bad today." Nope, that's not it at all. The American South has a somewhat similar climate to Japan, and even the warmer parts of Japan have way skinnier people. I lived in Alabama for a couple years, and I'd say it's mostly just transportation design and culture around eating. I biked a bunch in Alabama and it was fucking terrible. That shit sucked. Granted, biking almost anywhere in the US is pretty bad, but Alabama was definitely worse than some of the other places I lived, and infrastructure was the biggest part of that.