6 ms·

Forgejo makes a full break from Gitea

70 points by jwilk 3y ago

edude03 3y ago
(I'm not part of the Gitea community, just a casual user of gitea since the gogs days, so please take this for what it's worth -) I don't understand why Forges (and what feels like a large part of the free software community) is against corporate sponsorship. The stated goal of '"ensuring the long term success of the project" by allowing companies "unable to contribute back to open source via sponsorship or code contribution" to support Gitea in the form of paying Gitea Ltd directly ' seems extremely reasonable to a passerby and didn't seem to come with any strings attached, so why the knee jerk reaction of forking the project?
- timetraveller26 3y ago
  From the article: > Originally the project's governance, spelled out in an earlier version of its CONTRIBUTING.md file, specified the project would have three "owners" responsible for keeping development ""healthy"". The actual responsibilities and rights of the owners were vague, but they were to be elected yearly by Gitea's maintainers ""who decide with a simple voting model which contributions get accepted and who will play the owner role"". > That community of maintainers did not get a vote when Gitea's domain and trademarks were quietly transferred by two of Gitea's "owners" (Lunny Xiao and Matti Ranta) to a for-profit business called Gitea Ltd. The announcement said this was to meet the goal of ""ensuring the long term success of the project"" by allowing companies ""unable to contribute back to open source via sponsorship or code contribution"" to support Gitea in the form of paying Gitea Ltd directly.
- KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
  You might want to take a look at this thread. It's particularly spicy. Seems like the Forgejo founder is being disingenuous (though the Gitea founders are not much better either). Everybody is just in it for the money. https://lwn.net/Articles/963608/ https://lwn.net/Articles/963608/
JonChesterfield 3y ago
It's a tangent, but I think it's interesting that Gitea started trying to self host in Feb 2017 (https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/1029 https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/1029) and hasn't got there yet (based on how active the github issues/PR page are). https://about.gitea.com/ https://about.gitea.com/ offers me a "free cloud trial" and otherwise sounds very like other web front ends to git. So like github, except they don't trust it themselves. In contract forgejo has "Self-hosted alternative to GitHub" written in big letters on the landing page. https://codeberg.org/forgejo https://codeberg.org/forgejo is indeed self hosted.
- fariszr 3y ago
  Read some details in the issue and you will get an idea why they haven't migrated yet The size of the issues in their repo is huge! Especially when including media like photos and videos. Also funding hosting for such a thing is challenging, AFAIK they found a Chinese sponsor, but some of the community weren't so pleased with them.
  - NewJazz 3y ago
    You don't have to archive every last media and binary file. The size will only increase as time goes on, and so too will the expense of maintaining the archive. Better to start chewing now rather than wait for Microsoft to finish off GitLab and look for other competitors to demolish. I think they will be quick to realize they have one playing around in their front yard.
- KetoManx64 3y ago
  But then right below that on the Gitea page you linked they list their docker pulls statistics, which is primarily the self hosted community. Mixed messages indeed
Pxtl 3y ago
So GitLab, Gitea, Fossil, ForgeJo, OneDev... the field is so balkanized, and so many of them are almost kinda sorta compatible with each other but not quite. The choices are intimidating because there's always the fear that you'll invest in a platform created by a small team and then be left orphaned if it fails. ... So, how do you pronounce Forgejo? Forge-Joe? Forjei-ho? Forjei-o?
- wakamoleguy 3y ago
  | Forgejo (pronounced /forˈd͡ʒe.jo/) is inspired by forĝejo, the Esperanto word for forge. https://forgejo.org/faq/ https://forgejo.org/faq/ They also have a recording posted: https://forgejo.org/static/forgejo.mp4 https://forgejo.org/static/forgejo.mp4
  - Pxtl 3y ago
    So, non-silent E and the J is pronounced as a Y. .... Yeah, everybody's gonna call it Forge Joe.
  - triyambakam 3y ago
    If you need a recording of the pronunciation I think you've failed basic branding and marketing. Also the pronunciation recording does not match how I would expect it to be spelled. Fordgeo is what I'm hearing
    - Pxtl 3y ago
      Yeah, using an Esperanto word, and in particular one where the letters have very different pronounciation from English (the J is pronounced like Y and the E is not silent) seems like a bad move given that realistically the software world is in English.
      - justsomehnguy 3y ago
        > different pronounciation from English Just like .gif, yeah.
mappu 3y ago
For previous discussion, see also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393794
rad_gruchalski 3y ago
[flagged]
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
deleted 3y ago
[deleted]
richardgreeko27 3y ago
Unpronounceable and uber-niche software project breaks from slightly less niche software project
- wakawaka28 3y ago
  Calling it niche is a bit misleading. It has a clear and useful purpose, which is essentially the same as Github and Gitlab. But it's free! I'm not using it now but the couple of times I have, it seemed good.

70 points by jwilk 3y ago

(I'm not part of the Gitea community, just a casual user of gitea since the gogs days, so please take this for what it's worth -) I don't understand why Forges (and what feels like a large part of the free software community) is against corporate sponsorship. The stated goal of '"ensuring the long term success of the project" by allowing companies "unable to contribute back to open source via sponsorship or code contribution" to support Gitea in the form of paying Gitea Ltd directly ' seems extremely reasonable to a passerby and didn't seem to come with any strings attached, so why the knee jerk reaction of forking the project?

timetraveller26 3y ago
From the article: > Originally the project's governance, spelled out in an earlier version of its CONTRIBUTING.md file, specified the project would have three "owners" responsible for keeping development ""healthy"". The actual responsibilities and rights of the owners were vague, but they were to be elected yearly by Gitea's maintainers ""who decide with a simple voting model which contributions get accepted and who will play the owner role"". > That community of maintainers did not get a vote when Gitea's domain and trademarks were quietly transferred by two of Gitea's "owners" (Lunny Xiao and Matti Ranta) to a for-profit business called Gitea Ltd. The announcement said this was to meet the goal of ""ensuring the long term success of the project"" by allowing companies ""unable to contribute back to open source via sponsorship or code contribution"" to support Gitea in the form of paying Gitea Ltd directly.
KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
You might want to take a look at this thread. It's particularly spicy. Seems like the Forgejo founder is being disingenuous (though the Gitea founders are not much better either). Everybody is just in it for the money. https://lwn.net/Articles/963608/ https://lwn.net/Articles/963608/

JonChesterfield 3y ago

It's a tangent, but I think it's interesting that Gitea started trying to self host in Feb 2017 (https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/1029 https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/1029) and hasn't got there yet (based on how active the github issues/PR page are). https://about.gitea.com/ https://about.gitea.com/ offers me a "free cloud trial" and otherwise sounds very like other web front ends to git. So like github, except they don't trust it themselves. In contract forgejo has "Self-hosted alternative to GitHub" written in big letters on the landing page. https://codeberg.org/forgejo https://codeberg.org/forgejo is indeed self hosted.

fariszr 3y ago
Read some details in the issue and you will get an idea why they haven't migrated yet The size of the issues in their repo is huge! Especially when including media like photos and videos. Also funding hosting for such a thing is challenging, AFAIK they found a Chinese sponsor, but some of the community weren't so pleased with them.
- NewJazz 3y ago
  You don't have to archive every last media and binary file. The size will only increase as time goes on, and so too will the expense of maintaining the archive. Better to start chewing now rather than wait for Microsoft to finish off GitLab and look for other competitors to demolish. I think they will be quick to realize they have one playing around in their front yard.
KetoManx64 3y ago
But then right below that on the Gitea page you linked they list their docker pulls statistics, which is primarily the self hosted community. Mixed messages indeed

Pxtl 3y ago

So GitLab, Gitea, Fossil, ForgeJo, OneDev... the field is so balkanized, and so many of them are almost kinda sorta compatible with each other but not quite. The choices are intimidating because there's always the fear that you'll invest in a platform created by a small team and then be left orphaned if it fails. ... So, how do you pronounce Forgejo? Forge-Joe? Forjei-ho? Forjei-o?

wakamoleguy 3y ago
| Forgejo (pronounced /forˈd͡ʒe.jo/) is inspired by forĝejo, the Esperanto word for forge. https://forgejo.org/faq/ https://forgejo.org/faq/ They also have a recording posted: https://forgejo.org/static/forgejo.mp4 https://forgejo.org/static/forgejo.mp4
- Pxtl 3y ago
  So, non-silent E and the J is pronounced as a Y. .... Yeah, everybody's gonna call it Forge Joe.
- triyambakam 3y ago
  If you need a recording of the pronunciation I think you've failed basic branding and marketing. Also the pronunciation recording does not match how I would expect it to be spelled. Fordgeo is what I'm hearing
  - Pxtl 3y ago
    Yeah, using an Esperanto word, and in particular one where the letters have very different pronounciation from English (the J is pronounced like Y and the E is not silent) seems like a bad move given that realistically the software world is in English.
    - justsomehnguy 3y ago
      > different pronounciation from English Just like .gif, yeah.

mappu 3y ago

For previous discussion, see also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39393794

rad_gruchalski 3y ago

[flagged]

deleted 3y ago
[deleted]

deleted 3y ago

[deleted]

richardgreeko27 3y ago

Unpronounceable and uber-niche software project breaks from slightly less niche software project

wakawaka28 3y ago
Calling it niche is a bit misleading. It has a clear and useful purpose, which is essentially the same as Github and Gitlab. But it's free! I'm not using it now but the couple of times I have, it seemed good.