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I think you mean Textron and General Dynamics. Cessna and Gulfstream haven't been independent companies for 10 and 20 years, respectively.

buildsjets 3y ago
Also, they did not "try to kill Bombardier", they did kill Bombardier, at least as far as the commercial jet industry is concerned. Bombardier does not sort of make the CSeries/A220 in Alabama in conjunction with Airbus. The CSeries does not exist any more, the A220 is now a 100% Airbus program, as of Feb. 2020, Bombardier has zero involvement in it.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  Bombardier jets are not dead just their passenger airline jets, they are still making jets, just not the CSeries, and nothing for the airline industry. The Alabama A220 production started while Bombardier was still a partner which is why I used past tense "made" and "sort of"
  - buildsjets 3y ago
    That’s EXACTLY what I just said. They completely killed Bombardier at least as far as the commercial jet industry is concerned. Bombardier now makes no commercial jet aircraft. Zero. None. They still make a few general aviation jet aircraft, but that product line is also dwindling. They completely stopped production of all their Lear products in 2021.
dghlsakjg 3y ago
Sure, if you want to play semantics: Cessna Inc. owned by Textron Aviation Inc. owned by Textron Inc., and Gulfstream Aerospace Corp. owned by General Dynamics Corporation. Both are wholly owned subsidiaries of their respective parent corporation ownership chains, and are commonly known by Cessna and Gulfstream.
- 0xffff2 3y ago
  My point being that they are such small companies that they weren't even viable as independent businesses. It's a joke to think that they could even remotely scale up to a viable Boeing competitor in this century.
  - dghlsakjg 3y ago
    Airbus is 53 years old. Bombardier competes in the same segment as Cessna and Gulfstream and designed a plane that is actively in competition with the 737. A lot can happen in a century, especially when the government puts its thumbs on the scale, which is the rule rather than the exception when it comes to commercial passenger planes.

buildsjets 3y ago

Also, they did not "try to kill Bombardier", they did kill Bombardier, at least as far as the commercial jet industry is concerned. Bombardier does not sort of make the CSeries/A220 in Alabama in conjunction with Airbus. The CSeries does not exist any more, the A220 is now a 100% Airbus program, as of Feb. 2020, Bombardier has zero involvement in it.

dghlsakjg 3y ago
Bombardier jets are not dead just their passenger airline jets, they are still making jets, just not the CSeries, and nothing for the airline industry. The Alabama A220 production started while Bombardier was still a partner which is why I used past tense "made" and "sort of"
- buildsjets 3y ago
  That’s EXACTLY what I just said. They completely killed Bombardier at least as far as the commercial jet industry is concerned. Bombardier now makes no commercial jet aircraft. Zero. None. They still make a few general aviation jet aircraft, but that product line is also dwindling. They completely stopped production of all their Lear products in 2021.

dghlsakjg 3y ago

Sure, if you want to play semantics: Cessna Inc. owned by Textron Aviation Inc. owned by Textron Inc., and Gulfstream Aerospace Corp. owned by General Dynamics Corporation. Both are wholly owned subsidiaries of their respective parent corporation ownership chains, and are commonly known by Cessna and Gulfstream.

0xffff2 3y ago
My point being that they are such small companies that they weren't even viable as independent businesses. It's a joke to think that they could even remotely scale up to a viable Boeing competitor in this century.
- dghlsakjg 3y ago
  Airbus is 53 years old. Bombardier competes in the same segment as Cessna and Gulfstream and designed a plane that is actively in competition with the 737. A lot can happen in a century, especially when the government puts its thumbs on the scale, which is the rule rather than the exception when it comes to commercial passenger planes.